Taliban frees South Korean Christian missionaries
Bah, I think the Taliban are being too kind. If I were them, I will behead these Christian missionary scumbags on the spot (but release the female captives as it is illegal in shariah law to kill women captives) on the charge of incitement and sowing discord.
The Taliban released three South Korean hostages on Wednesday, the first of 19 captives scheduled to be freed under a deal struck between the insurgents and the South Korean government.
The three, all women, were first handed to tribal leaders, who took them to an agreed location where officials of the International Committee of the Red Cross picked them up, according to an Associated Press reporter who witnessed the handover.
The three arrived in the central Afghan village of Qala-E-Qazi in a single car, their heads covered with green shawls. They said nothing to reporters, who were asked by Red Cross representatives not to question them.
Red Cross officials quickly took the three to their vehicles before leaving for an undisclosed location.
To secure the hostages’ release, South Korea reaffirmed a pledge to withdraw its 200 troops from Afghanistan by the end of this year and prevent South Korean Christian missionaries from working there. The Taliban apparently backed down on earlier demands for a prisoner exchange.
When I first read the news about the taking of the hostages, I was horrified as to why would the Taliban involve civillians in their struggle against the occupiers? Turns out that these people are belligerent Cross-Worshipper Scum, and when I realised that, I stopped feeling sorry for these people. After all, who would want to invite these Roman Criminal Worshippers to enter a Muslim nation?
Hmm, yet these same people who hate us expect a warm welcome and halal food whenever they enter Christian majority countries.
[MENJ: Muslims don’t go around belligerently and forcefully converting Christians to Islam when they first enter these nations.]
Comment by Emmanuel — September 1, 2007 @ 12:40 am
I strongly doubt those Koreans went around toting AK47s and pointing it at the throats of Afghanis,MENJ.
[MENJ: No, they go around carrying around their Babbles and shove those down the poor Afghans’ throats instead.]
Comment by Emmanuel — September 1, 2007 @ 11:24 pm
Those who commit evil or hurt to others, in return oneself will suffer in later stage.
Comment by fallen angel — September 2, 2007 @ 3:04 pm
Poor Afghans?
Come on, you really paint a picture where everyone is stupid and need people to constantly tell them Islam is the True Way,and forbid people from preaching to them or they will forget, or worse, apostasize.If you paint people THAT ‘jahil’ and stupid, would that mean they were stupid and ‘jahil’ , does that make them stupid and ‘jahil’ to embrace Islam in the first place?
[MENJ: I have no problems if a Christian missionary wants to proselytise to me. I have read the Bible and I haven’t apostatised at all, have I? But if you want to “preach”, do it the proper way, instead of going to poor Muslim countries with hidden attentions and (mis)using the age-old missionary scum doctrine of Bible + Jesus = Food!]
Comment by Emmanuel — September 4, 2007 @ 1:08 am
the same goes to muslim, look at indigenius people in malaysia, they being tricked the same way. Once they converted …who cares? the goverment? even the money they used not from muslim itself.
Comment by hey — September 4, 2007 @ 4:26 pm
Poor Afghans?
Come on, you really paint a picture where everyone is stupid and need people to constantly tell them Islam is the True Way,and forbid people from preaching to them or they will forget, or worse, apostasize.If you paint people THAT ‘jahil’ and stupid, would that mean they were stupid and ‘jahil’ , does that make them stupid and ‘jahil’ to embrace Islam in the first place?
My response,
Stupid and Jahil to embrace Islam ? Nah, on this case its the Christian missionaries who are the ‘Jahil’ ones. In which they resort to using relief aid work as a camouflage incentive to spread religion. If the religion is not Jahil why resort to this kind of tactic ?
When you help people in need and expect nothing in return like most pure civic minded aid groups thats noble, but if you do it with the intention of spreading the trinity to people who in need of your help thats not noble.
here is a very interesting newspaper cut from the KOREA times :
NGOs Slam Christian Missionary Work
The kidnapping of 23 Koreans in Afghanistan has caused people to reevaluate Christians’ overseas missionary and volunteer work.
Civic groups claim that Christians should change the way they view missionary work and restrain from “excessively passionate” activities, while Christian groups say they will reflect on their activities, however will continue to send out missionaries and volunteers.
The Korea World Missions Association and other Christian groups said Thursday that they are worried over the government’s agreement with the Taliban militants to ban Korean missionary operations in Afghanistan.
“We hope Korean Christians will take part in volunteer work more actively, remembering the kidnapped volunteers and keeping the spirit of love, as well as respecting the government’s measures,” leaders of the groups said.
They said the groups would set up an agency to deal with dangerous situations overseas. “If volunteers are kidnapped, the Christian agency will cope with it directly and the government will not need to act as a negotiation channel,” they said.
But civic groups claimed the decision to continue overseas missionary work comes from Christians’ reckless desire to expand religious influence.
“Churches oppose the government’s ban on missionary work in dangerous countries because such work was their main source of expanding influence and increasing parishioners. That is part of the reason why they do not conduct aid operation at quiet regions but at hot spots where people pay attention,” Shin Yong-gug, director of the People’s Association of Religion Critics, said.
“Regarding overseas missionary work, they seem to take the church’s expansion into consideration rather than the safety of parishioners or people. Are missionary work and their beliefs above the nation and the people? How come they push ahead with their self-righteous and one-sided activity, ignoring Korea’s position, national interest, and diplomatic affairs?” he said.
Shin also said Korean Christians conduct aid operations on their own, not taking into consideration foreign cultures and local situations.
Christian Science Monitor, a U.S. Christian daily, said that broadly speaking, the Koreans in Afghanistan operated on a 19th-century missionary model that has evolved considerably in the U.S., by quoting David Heim, editor of the Chicago-based magazine The Christian Century.
“American churches going out to the world and converting people have been criticized for a century, and most have learned from the criticism. The South Korean churches seem to be in that older independent evangelical model of going off alone. Today relatively few mainline American churches do this. Most send small teams that partner with indigenous churches and local believers. It’s more collaborative,” Heim was quoted as saying.
Shin said although the Christian groups organize the agency to deal with dangerous situations, the volunteers are Koreans and they would put responsibility on the government if another kidnapping occurs.
Comment by AL=ZARQAWI — September 4, 2007 @ 9:31 pm
“Nah, on this case its the Christian missionaries who are the ‘Jahil’ ones. In which they resort to using relief aid work as a camouflage incentive to spread religion. If the religion is not Jahil why resort to this kind of tactic ?”
Hmm…I understand, and personally I disagree with hidden agenda as well.But what about using money to convert Orang Asli?
Comment by Emmanuel — September 5, 2007 @ 12:43 am
Hmm…I understand, and personally I disagree with hidden agenda as well.But what about using money to convert Orang Asli?
Only Christians missionaries do that. But there was a suggestion from some Muslims recently that money should be used for that purpose, however, since the votes from Orang Asli are secured the powers that be feel there is no need for that. Stop your bull about Muslims using money Emmanuel. Only international churches can afford to buy followers. And don’t tell me we haven’t heard about money splashed by those churches through whatever project they call it.
Comment by abuhanaan — September 5, 2007 @ 6:50 am
the same goes to muslim, look at indigenius people in malaysia, they being tricked the same way. Once they converted …who cares? the goverment? even the money they used not from muslim itself.
Posted by hey on September 4th, 2007
Hmm…I understand, and personally I disagree with hidden agenda as well.But what about using money to convert Orang Asli?
Posted by Emmanuel on September 5th, 2007
1st of all, what proof do you have to say that Muslim organisations used money to trick the Org Asli to convert to Islam?
Again, we need facts and figures here.
And mind you, that there is a big difference between giving zakat to newly converts and trying to put to the org Asli’s throat the Quran and food together. This assistance is only given after conversion of the Org Asli without using the unscrupulous way of Christian missions.
In Malaysia, orang asli regardless of their believes are under Orang Asli Affairs Department (JHEOA), thus, saying this helps are done due to sinister conversion is baseless. We can still see many Orang Asli who are still pagans and also Christians.
Can you say that the Orang Asli’s christians being trick to be Christians at the first place?
Since, most Orang Asli are poor, the Orang Asli Muslim community are eligible to receive zakat. All poor Muslims regardless of their background are given zakat. So, you can not apply this “tricks of conversion” to what Christian missions being doing everywhere in this world.
But, thank you, Emmanuel for confirming us that:
1) Christian Mission shouldnt mix aid and chrisianization agenda to poors.
Comment by Saul — September 5, 2007 @ 11:07 am
Seoul arah bekas tebusan Taliban bayar balik kos
SEOUL 3 Sept. – Kerajaan Korea Selatan telah mengarahkan 19 bekas tahanan Taliban membayar sebahagian daripada kos menyelamatkan mereka tatkala kritikan semakin meningkat terhadap lawatan pekerja bantuan Kristian itu ke Afghanistan.
Presiden Korea Selatan, Roh Moo-hyun telah mengarahkan Kabinetnya menggunakan hak melindungi kerajaan daripada sebarang kerugian atas sebab-sebab perundangan, kata jurucakapnya, Cheon Ho-seon.
Menurutnya, kerajaan akan mendapatkan balik perbelanjaan termasuk tiket penerbangan bekas tahanan dan kos penghantaran balik dua mayat tahanan yang dibunuh oleh Taliban.
Yu Kyeong-sik yang menjadi jurucakap kumpulan bekas tahanan telah meminta maaf berulang kali semasa tiba di Seoul, semalam.
Kumpulan pekerja bantuan gereja terbabit tidak mengendahkan amaran kerajaan ketika melakukan lawatan tersebut.
Sebelum berlepas, mereka dilaporkan sempat merakam gambar berlatarkan notis amaran kerajaan yang melarang sebarang perjalanan ke Asia Selatan.
“Dengan mengabaikan amaran kerajaan dan secara tergesa-gesa melakukan misi di negara yang tidak stabil, penahanan mereka telah menjadi beban kepada negara,†ulas akhbar harian Joong Ang Ilbo.
– AFP
Bekas tebusan Taliban selamat tiba di Seoul
ANYANG, Korea Selatan 2 Sept. – Seramai 19 orang sukarelawan Kristian Korea Selatan yang ditahan selama enam minggu oleh Taliban kembali ke negara ini hari ini dalam suasana sambutan kurang menyenangkan dan dikatakan terhutang budi kepada kerajaan kerana menyelamatkan nyawa mereka.
Seorang pemimpin kanan Taliban memberitahu, Seoul telah membayar AS$20 juta (RM68 juta) bagi membebaskan mereka, tetapi kerajaan Korea Selatan menafikan pembayaran tersebut.
Bagaimanapun, Seoul tetap mendapat kritikan antarabangsa kerana mencapai persetujuan melalui rundingan langsung.
“Kami mahu menyebarkan cinta tuhan dan membawa ajarannya,†kata salah seorang bekas tahanan, Lyu Kyung-sik sejurus tiba.
“Kami pulang dari ambang kematian dan telah diberikan kembali nyawa ini.
“Kami semua berhutang dengan negara dan semua rakyat Korea Selatan,’’ kata Kyung-sik.
Sementara itu, ramai yang mengkritik Gereja Saemmul Seoul kerana menghantar kumpulan terbabit dengan pengetahuan mengenai yang naif dan meletakkan kerajaan dalam kesusahan.
Laman web kumpulan Protestan dan portal Internet dipenuhi dengan mesej yang menyalahkan pihak gereja kerana tidak mengendahkan amaran kerajaan dan melakukan misi tanpa mendapat nasihat mencukupi.
Kumpulan itu kemudiannya dibawa ke hospital di selatan Seoul untuk pemeriksaan kesihatan dam disambut oleh keluarga mereka.
- Reuters
Another interesting articles from Utusan Malaysia (the source from AFP and Reuters), how these people had been influenced by the Church and they have undermined the safety precautioned given by the South Korean government arrogantly.
So, they had put aside one of Jesus teaching already just to follow the Churches urge of spreading Christianity although the Korean Govt had forbid any South Korean to go to South Asia:
Luke 20:25
“Then give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”
Comment by Saul — September 5, 2007 @ 1:07 pm
Hmm…I understand, and personally I disagree with hidden agenda as well.But what about using money to convert Orang Asli?
MY response,
So by saying the above you are saying you against with the missionary work by the christian Koreans in Afghanistan to apostates the muslims there?
About the orang asli, is the goverment’s budget given to the Jabatan Hal ehwal orang asli to take care for their walfare a bribe ? Or zakat money for the muslim orang asli is also a bribe to you?
Comment by AL=ZARQAWI — September 5, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
Saul, Al Zarqawi, MENJ
I am against giving money to convert a person.What about you?
http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=205246
Well, at least MENJ has earlier said it was a good idea when he blogged about it.
How about the use of violence to convert people?
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20070513/27386_Christians_Flee_Pakistani_Town_After_Militants%92_Threat.htm
http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2007/05/06/703767-iraqs-christian-minority-flees-violence
http://www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=71925
Comment by Emmanuel — September 7, 2007 @ 9:53 pm
http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=205246
Dammit Emmanuel… do you have to spoil their fun?
[MENJ: Naked-man worshipper moron, you can’t read? Where does it say that a converted Orang Asli to Islam will get money?? The money is for Muslim daies who get MARRIED to the Orang Asli who revert to Islam WILLINGLY, as opposed as your accursed Christian missionary scumbags who offer MONEY to poor, gullible victims in return for conversion to the half-naked man worship.]
Comment by BrightEyes — September 8, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
Emmanuel said ,
Saul, Al Zarqawi, MENJ
I am against giving money to convert a person.What about you?
My response,
hmm, it states in newsletter the reward is for the preacher or muslim pendakwah who marries a converted orang asli. Its not giving 10000 to a orang asli as a bribery for them to convert. Can you please identify which statement in the newsletter that the government will give to each orang asli 10,000 so that out of this goodwill they will convert to Islam especially before con version ?
In the newsletter the word will is mention many times, which gives a picture of a suggestion or plan. Has it been implement? If you strongly believe than give us the statistics how many muslim pendakwah in Kelantan have received such rewards from the state government.
And remember the incentives are for the pendakwah who marries a new convert and not for converting them.
Comment by AL=ZARQAWI — September 9, 2007 @ 6:15 pm
Emmanuel said,
how about the use of violence to convert people?
My response,
These force conversion were carried out by some insurgents in Iraq who does not represent any Islamic government or Islamic missionary. Like i have said before when some Muslims become terrorist and started to act like Christian Catholic crusaders they deserve to be treated like one. Al -Andalus was an example.
What about the your fellow protestant crusaders rulers there ? It seems the Iraqi Christians were treated even better under Saddam Hussein rule.
Comment by AL=ZARQAWI — September 9, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
I am against giving money to convert a person.What about you?
http://www.bernama.com.my/bern…..?id=205246
I had waited for many days, and this is the only thing you got, chinna thamby?
Struggling to find proof arent you? Pity little guy..
Well, alas!
You still can not find any proof to say that Muslim have to pay for any conversion to Islam.
This article has a few points:
1)This article had proven that instead of paying the orang Asli for conversion, this is incentive for the preacher.
Still this chinna tambhy can not find the proof that money is used to pay Orang Asli for converting to Islam.
This article is taken out of the context.
2) This proves that Islamic mission is not the factor behind Orang Asli conversion to Islam.
The Kelantan govt is frustrated until they have to suggest that they will pay RM 10K for any preacher who married an Orang Asli, meaning that to get one preacher is very hard until they got to make such suggestion.
3) If this case is true, so you have to bring us the fact, how many preachers had received this 10k?
How many of this Kelantan Islamic missionaries had already enjoying themselves with 4WD?
How many of them had taken 1K allowance every month?
Thus, there is still no proof. This is only a suggestion and no proof of implementation.
Again facts and figures, fact and figures, facts and figures..
Remember this until you die…
This article still can’t not give any proof that Muslim is implementing the way of Christian mission. This is only a suggestion and can not be taken as a point of debate.
This is a usual tactic by christian debater here,always resort to other points which is out of context if they can’t refute our points in the first place.
Comment by Saul — September 9, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
How about the use of violence to convert people?
http://www.christianpost.com/a…..Threat.htm
http://www.newsvine.com/_news/…..s-violence
http://www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=71925
You dont have anymore points eh, thamby?
You want us to strip off you more than the half naked man?
You want us to debate on the atrocities sponsored by the Catholic church i.e. Spanish inquisition, albigiensis crusade, forced conversion of syrian orthodox malabar, native america conversion to catholism.
In modern time, we have also christian mission using force in Nagaland and Tripura.
You want to discuss on that?
Sure..we are more than happy!!!
Okay back to your so called argument:
http://www.christianpost.com/a…..Threat.htm
From the article:
Police said Thursday they had stepped up security at churches in Charsadda.
What the hell is this?
Those who are trying to convert these christians are terrorist, mobs, not islamic missions, da’wah group, or mosque council. They are mobs.
But who are protecting the christians?
The police. Muslim Pakistani Police, thamby..
You cannot read eh, thamby?
http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2007/05/06/703767-iraqs-christian-minority-flees-violence
In Saddam-era Iraq, the country’s 800,000 Christians — many of them Chaldean-Assyrians and Armenians, with small numbers of Roman Catholics — were generally left alone. Many, such as Saddam Hussein’s foreign minister and deputy prime minister Tariq Aziz, reached the highest levels of power.
So, what is this?
Tolerance from Muslims have existed for centuries even under Saddam Hussein who is the leader of axis of evil. Christians live in peace and harmony under Muslim rules.
And the one who used forced are not islamic mission or mosque council. They are mobs and terrorist.
“This is not the culture of Iraqis or the nature of Iraqis. We have lived during centuries together in a respectful attitude and friendship,” said Luwis Zarco, the Catholic archbishop of Kirkuk.
You want to continue…
Anytime, anywhere with those pro-half naked man debaters if they can stand the heat…
Comment by Saul — September 9, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
I DEDICATE THE FOLLOWING ARTICLE TO SAINT ANDALAS,
IN VIEW OF THE INFINITE GRACE OF CHRISTIANITY.
I came to bring not peace but a sword – Jesus Christ
For seven-year-old Shreema, 13th Jan 2002 was a special Sunday. All through the year, the girl had awaited the dawn of this day. For, that was the day one goes out and purchases new clothes, new toys and sweets, as the next day would be Makar Sankranthi — the harvest festival celebrated throughout India. The Singicherra Bazar was bustling with activity. Like Shreema’s family there were many people looking forward to a happy Makar Sankranthi. But they didn’t realise that they were violating a decree issued by the Baptist Church-created Christian terrorist, the National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT). Nor did they know that they would pay with their lives for celebrating a heathen festival of their motherland.
Shreema would never again celebrate Makar Sankranthi. She died, along with sixteen others, on the spot as 13 terrorists of the NLFT encircled the people shopping for the festival and fired indiscriminately1. The soldiers of Christ have done again in Tripura what they have been doing for centuries to heathens throughout the world.
The Baptist Church of Tripura is not just the ideological mentor of the NLFT; it also supplies the NLFT with arms and ammunition for the soldiers of the holy crusade2. Never mind that the holy war involves killing infants and torching the huts of ‘heathen Hindoos’. The NLFT does all these to bring to the infidels the peace and love of Christ. So, when Nagmanlal Halam, secretary of the Noapara Baptist Church in Tripura, was arrested by the Tripura police he had rather curious tools for evangelisation, which included along with the gospel 50 gelatin sticks, 5 kg of potassium and 2 kg of sulphur and other ingredients for making explosives. Mr. Halam confessed that his activities for the saving the heathen souls involved buying and supplying explosives to the NLFT over the past two years. Another church official, Jatna Koloi, who was also arrested, admitted that he received training in guerrilla warfare at an NLFT base last year. Surely, gelatin and AK-47s have more efficiency when it comes to bringing the light of the only revealed truth to the disbelievers suffering in ’spiritual darkness’.
The Baptist Church of Tripura was initially set up by proselytizers from New Zealand 60 years ago. Despite their efforts, even until 1980, only a few thousand people in Tripura had converted to Christianity. Then the Church used one of its most efficient and time-tested weapons of evangelisation — creating racial and ethnic divide among the people. In the aftermath of one of the worst ethnic riots, engineered by the Church3, the NLFT was born — but not without the midwife role of the Baptist Church. From its very inception, the NLFT has been advancing the cause of Christianity through armed persuasion. Every trace of indigenous culture is being eliminated through violent means. Every resisting group is made to bleed its way to extinction.
The case of Jamatya tribals provides a telling example. These tribals have strong spiritual leaders and a network of social service organisations headed by their religious leaders. These indigenous sects are neither exclusive nor expansionist. The Baptist Church has always failed miserably in its conversion efforts with regard to this well-knit community. Hence, it is no wonder that the NLFT has made Jamatya institutions and their religious leaders the targets of their attacks. In the August of 2000, religious leaders of the Jamatya community like Jaulushmoni Jamatya and Shanti Kumar Tripura were killed by the NLFT, and Jamatya families were uprooted from their homelands and made refugees. The death threats issued by the NLFT to the inmates of these institutions have already forced the closure of 11 Jamatya institutions like schools and orphanages, set up by the slain religious leaders in various parts of Tripura4. Interestingly, these tribals are not close-minded fanatics. For one thing, they do not mind teaching the theory of evolution in their schools.
The greatest challenge to the Bible inspired mission of the NLFT comes from the Sangh Parivar’s Banbasi Kalyan Kendra. The dedicated life workers of RSS have started empowering the tribals by running many educational institutions which while empowering them through imparting secular technical education also retain their tribal cultural and spiritual identity. Rather than making them disown their roots, the Kendra made the tribals feel proud of their culture. It even conducts national level tribal sports festivals. If the NLFT is to carve out a kingdom for Christ out of the secular republic of India, it has to make sure that the Kendra activities are stopped at all costs. In July 2000, armed NLFT militants torched a residential school and students hostel run by the Seva Mission in the remote Ananda Bazar area of North Tripura5. They had also taken hostage four RSS life workers. These RSS workers were all in their sixties. The crime committed by these old men was that they had dared to run educational institutions for tribals while preserving the tribals’ culture. Later, all four were killed by the NLFT.
The NLFT has been an active partner of the Baptist Church in winning converts to the Christian creed. They have killed tribal priests to threaten communities and effect mass conversions. But those tactics have obviously backfired. In 2001 alone, the NLFT killed more than 20 Hindus who refused to ‘accept the love of Christ’. They also torched to death a Hindu family sleeping in a hut6. In 2001, community chiefs and religious heads of 19 tribes formed the ‘Tribal Culture Protection Committee’ to counter the threat posed by the NLFT7. Despite the NLFT taking all possible steps to enforce conversions, the conversions are still slow. Frustrated, the NLFT has now begun an all out war against Hindu tribals. They have issued fatwas against infidel activities. These decree prohibit people from celebrating festivals like Durga Pooja and Makar Sankranthi, listening to Indian music, watching Indian TV channels and films, and prohibit women from wearing bangles or sporting bindis, etc. Just a year before the NLFT started all these atrocities in India, the Southern Baptist Church of the United States of America had given a clarion call to bring the light of the gospel to “millions of Hindus and Jews lost in the darkness†of their religions8.
Shreema, the seven-year-old girl from Tripura, died with bullets pumped into her tender body. Her crime was that she violated the Christian law which prohibited her from celebrating an Indian festival. She was not just a victim of barbaric terrorism but she is also a martyr for Indian culture, a culture that has preserved thousands of tribal customs from barbaric persecution. Yet, she will not make it to the glossy covers of the weekly magazines of English speaking Indian media. Unsubstantiated, fabricated stories of Hindu fundamentalists (an oxymoron) killing Christian priests have been making their headlines. However, these fabrications have their use. They do help in the covering up of such acts of Christian love like killing in cold blood a seven- year-old girl or burning a family to death.
Posted by AL=ZARQAWI on July 10th, 2007
Comment by Saul — September 9, 2007 @ 9:02 pm
Dammit Emmanuel… do you have to spoil their fun?
No bright eyes the fun has just began, now lets see forced conversion and genocide practice by christians, lets take the discovery of the new world by Christian Columbus, See the article below :
Christopher Columbus, a trader of African slaves, is best known as the ‘so-called’ discoverer of America. In his personal log, Columbus wrote that, his purpose in seeking undiscovered worlds was “to bring the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the heathens.†[Columbus’ Book of Prophecies]
On his first voyage Columbus described the natives as follows:
“The people of this island and of all other islands which I have found and seen, … all … are so artless and free with all they possess, that no one would believe it without having seen it. Of anything they have, if you ask them for it, they never say no; rather they invite the person to share it, and show as much love as if they were giving their hearts…” But Colombus’ mission was to take the land for Christendom and convert all these peoples to Christianity or exterminate them and replace their culture, hence:
In whichever island he touched (on his second voyage) his men killed indiscriminately whatever animals and natives they found, “looting and destroying all they found,” as Columbus’ son Fernando put it. The natives were either killed or enslaved. Columbus commented in this regard, that the natives “ought to be good servants… and would easily be made Christians,†because he saw his affairs as the “fulfillment of prophecies in Isaiah.” To any objections from the natives, Columbus responded with, “…with the help of God, we shall … make war against you in all ways and manners that we can, and shall subject you to the yoke and obedience of the Church and of Their Highness. We shall take you and your wives and your children, and shall make slaves of them.” [7]
Eyewitnesses recalled, “Once the Indians were in the woods, the next step was to form squadrons and pursue them, and whenever the Spaniards found them, they pitilessly slaughtered everyone like sheep… So they would cut an Indian’s hands and leave them dangling… Some Christians encounter an Indian women, and since the dog they had with them was hungry, they tore the child from the mother’s arms and flung it still living to the dog…” After all, the Indians were only infidels.â€
Of Columbus’ second voyage, it has been further written: “The Spaniards found pleasure in inventing all kinds of odd cruelties… They built a long gibbet, long enough for the toes to touch the ground to prevent strangling, and hanged thirteen [natives] at a time in honor of Christ Our Savior and the twelve apostles… then, straw was wrapped around their torn bodies and they were burned alive.†[8]
In less than a decade after Columbus’ first landing the native population of the island of Hispaniola (Santo Domingo & Haiti)— and thousands and thousands of people — had dropped by a third to a half. Before the next century ended, the populations of Cuba and many other Caribbean islands had been virtually exterminated.
I guess the Portugese must have done the same to the Malay muslims when they took Melaka in 1511.
A history i hope no Muslim in Malaysia will forget.
Comment by AL=ZARQAWI — September 10, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
And before taking Melaka in 1511, they took Goa in India 1498 by Vasco De Gama. Lets read the article below to discover the methodology of christian conversion there.
India’s first major contact with Christianity began when Vasco da Gama, from Portugal, landed with gunboat and priests in 1498… The newcomers were not only merchants but also devout Christians ordered by the Pope: “… to invade, conquer, and subject all the countries which are under rule of the enemies of Christ, Saracens (Moslems who fought against the Christian Crusaders in the middle ages) or Pagan….”
Hindus were forced to convert or faced torture and death. Thousands had to flee Goa in order to keep their culture and religious beliefs.
The historian Gaspar Correa described what Vasco da Gama did, thus:
“When all the Indians had thus been executed, he ordered them to strike upon their teeth with staves and they knocked them down their throats; as they were put on board, heaped on top of each other, mixed up with the blood which streamed from them; and he ordered mats and dry leaves to be spread over them and sails to be set for the shore and the vessels set on fire… ” Before killing and burning the innocent Hindus he had their hands, ears and noses cut off.
…”When the Zamorin (head of the Hindu population) sent another Brahmin (Hindu Priest) to Vasco to plead for peace, he had his lips cut off and his ears cut off. The ears of a dog were sewn on him instead and the Brahmin was sent back to Zamorin in that state. The Brahmin… had brought with him three young boys, two of them his sons and the other a nephew. They were hanged from the yardarm and their bodies sent ashore.”
Francis Xavier SaintFrancis Xavier, a Jesuit Priest, came soon after Vasco da Gama, with the firm resolve of uprooting Hinduism from the soil of India and planting Christianity in its place. His sayings and doings have been documented in his numerous biographies. Francis Xavier, wrote back home,
“As soon as I arrived in any heathen village, when all are baptized, I order all the temples of their false gods to be destroyed and all the idols to be broken to pieces. I can give you no idea of the joy I feel in seeing this done.” The Church had a special way of dealing with converted Hindus who were suspected of not observing Christian rites with appropriate rigour and enthusiasm, or even of covertly practicing their old faith: “…the culprits would be tracked down and burnt alive.â€[28]
Water TortureXavier called for an inquisition, recorded by historians as being more horrendous and barbaric than any prior to that. Thousands were tortured mutilated and killed. Thousands had to flee Goa in order to keep their traditional culture and religion.
It is recorded that between 600 and 1,000 Hindu temples and shrines were destroyed, but many consider these numbers to be on the conservative side. [29]
Many types of brutal torture were employed by the Inquisitors, such as mutilation of body parts, fire torture and drownings. The details of this torture are too ghastly and horrid to contemplate for any sane human being.
Wheel Tortureâ€Children were flogged and slowly dismembered in front of their parents whose eyelids had been sliced off to make sure they missed nothing. Extremities were amputated carefully, so that a person could remain conscious even when all that remained was a torso and a head.â€[30]
The archbishop of Evora, in Portugal, eventually wrote, “If everywhere the Inquisition was an infamous court, the infamy, however base, however vile, however corrupt and determined by worldly interests, it was never more so than in Goa. [31]
No body knows the exact number of Goans subjected to these diabolical tortures; low estimates put the number in the tens of thousands, high estimates are in the hundreds of thousands, perhaps even more. The abominations of these inquisitions continued from 1560 until a brief respite was given in 1774, but four years later, the inquisition was introduced again and it continued un-interruptedly until 1812 — the inquisition in Goa wend on for over two-hundred and fifty years. At that point in time, in the year of 1812, the British put pressure on the Portuguese to put an end to the terror of the Inquisition and the presence of British troops in Goa enforced the British desire.[32]
Dr. Trasta Breganka Kunha, a Catholic citizen of Goa writes, “Inspite of all the mutilations and concealment of history, it remains an undoubted fact that religious conversion of Goans is due to methods of force adopted by the Portuguese to establish their rule. As a result of this violence the character of our people was destroyed. The propagation of Christian sect in Goa came about not by religious preaching but through the methods of violence and pressure. If any evidence is needed for this fact, we can obtain it through law books, orders and reports of the local rulers of that time and also from the most dependable documents of the Christian sect itself.”[33]
A proposed celebration for the 500 year anniversary of Vasco de Gama’s arrival in India was fiercly proposed and successfully stopped, bringing together a surprising alliance of Hindus, Muslims, left wing campaigners and environmentalists.
The Gaur-Sarasvata Brahmins were one such sect who had to flee at the hands of the invading fanatics. Now their sect is situated in the state of Karnataka. Leaving everything behind and starting from scratch they are now a very well to do and prosperous community. Their temples rival any in the world. Still practicing their ancient Vedic religion, the Gaur-Sarasvata Brahmins are recognized for their dignity, honesty and contributions to society. This soundly nullifies the idea propagated by the Christian zealots that Hindu religion is heathen and pagan.
Frances Xavier is commonly known as ‘St. Francis Xavier,’ ‘the Patron Saint of the East.’ He is still worshipped, prayed to and honored as the pure representative of Jesus Christ and his gospel by Christians all over the world. There are innumerable hospitals, schools, and other institutions in India named after him. Even today the archdiocese of Goa boasts,
“The glorious chapter of the expansion of the Catholic Church in the east can be said to have begun after the European ‘discovery’ of the sea route to India in 1498. This helped the coming of the European fathers to these lands, one of them being St. Francis Xavier, the great Apostle of the East and Patron of the Missions. Goa is privileged to have been the starting point of his Church work labours and the place where his sacred remains are preserved. Goa was called the “Rome of the East” due to the central role it played in evangelization of the east.” [34]
India today is ruled by a secular government modeled after the western democracies. What many Indians do not understand is that the idea of secular government, first seen in the United States of America, was a reaction to the theocratic tyrannies that pervaded the Dark Ages of Europe all the way to the founding of the American nation. Separation of religion and government were an effort to ward off and prevent any Christian theocracy from taking control in modern times.
Now the Christian tactics have changed, but their underlying premise that ‘Christianity is the only true religion’ nullifies all their attempts of portraying themselves as tolerant and loving. The reality is that Christianity has not changed its theology, it has only changed its techniques of conversion. Christian evangelists are now using vast amounts of wealth (billions of US dollars) to spread their propaganda. Mission activity in India comes in the guise of helping the downtrodden, sick and helpless. In reality the aim is the same — to convert all to Christianity and in the wake destroy all the cultures and religions that lie in the way. There is no need to abuse, attack, or condemn the Non-Christian religions. The plain truth is the Christian Missionaries work with usage of lies, falsehood, and hypocrisy. The social improvement facade is only a camouflage or disguise for conversion work.
Why should the Christian Missionaries want to collect converts? Because it is in the nature of the religions of exclusivity to try to make every one like them in terms of religion. They have no use, whatsoever, for pluralism or respect for other religions; in fact what they have is pure contempt for other religions. Further, this exclusivity attachment and attitude comes straight from the horse’s mouth i.e. from their scriptures. For instance, in the Bible Matthew 28:19-20, Mark 16:15-16, and Luke 24:46-47 every Christian is commanded to make converts and it is the duty of every Christian to uphold these commands of the Bible.
THE article above was not from a muslim website.
Comment by AL=ZARQAWI — September 10, 2007 @ 6:25 pm
Dammit Emmanuel… do you have to spoil their fun?
Hmm..damn…we have spoilt your fun pom pom girl..there is more than monday blue you have to think about today..
Note: Menj..can you fix posting 16 and 17?
Comment by Saul — September 10, 2007 @ 10:27 pm