Christianity promotes terrorism
Christian missionaries often claim that Islam is the religion of the sword and that it preaches violence and terrorism. What the Christian missionaries fail to realize is that it is the Bible that promotes terrorism and contains stories of genocide and slaugher. I give you the following examples:
a) Deuteronomy 7:1-6 (wholesale genocide)
b) Numbers 31 (slaughter of the Midianites)
c) 1 Samuel 15 (slaughter of the Amalekites)
d) Psalms 137:9 (”Blessed are the baby killers”)
e) Matthew 10:34 (Jesus came to “bring a sword, not peaceâ€)
f) Luke 12:53 (Jesus says he came to “bring fire, not peaceâ€)
g) Luke 19:27 (Jesus says in a parable, “all those who did not want me to rule over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence)
h) Luke 22:36 (Jesus tells his followers to “purchase swordsâ€)
i) John 2:15 (Jesus attacks people with a whip in the Temple)
If we were to follow the same criteria as the Christian Evangelists do, as pertaining to certain passages of the Holy Qur’an, we can also do the same with the Bible and claim that all crimes against humanity committed by those who profess the Christian faith were acting in accordance with the teachings of their faith.
As Muslims, we must set a better example than that is shown in the Bible.
For a Muslim, many of the claims to be found in the Bible with regard to the Prophets of God, and even God himself, are monstrous and preposterous. One is hard pressed to find a single prophet or messenger who was not a drunkard, an idolater, an adulterer, guilty of incest, a liar, and so forth. The Bible practically overflows with such stories from almost every Tom, Dick, and Harry.
The messengers of God are even made to be guilty of multiple cases of adultery and worse.
No wonder why Christian missionaries are attacking Islam.
All your quoted passages were interpreted out of context. Plain laughable. Haha.
We do NOT attack Muslims, we only preach the Good News.
Comment by andalas — July 1, 2007 @ 7:42 pm
Prophets are human beings. Human beings make mistakes.
Comment by Suzanne — July 1, 2007 @ 11:22 pm
Any Christian bothers to explain the context so that we may not interpret bible wrongly? I see a pattern here whenever bible was quoted, Christians would simply call it “quoted out of context” and then laughed like damn cross dressers.
Comment by abuhanaan — July 2, 2007 @ 6:47 am
Its your blog, so you have the right to publish anything you want.
If the purpose of this item was to be inflammatory, I think we should all be mature enough to appreciate that taking selected passages from any holy book can be twisted for the writer’s own purposes.
Let’s focus on the good of religion and not attempt to run down any particular ones. As it stands, religion gets a bad name when it is hijacked by radicals who think they are doing the “right” thing. Nobody asked them to.
Comment by Rodin — July 2, 2007 @ 8:26 am
whenever a christian gets shown these passages they always cry that they are ‘out of context’… this claim is laughable…
most of the above mentioned verses are actually quite clear…..
Comment by khayyam — July 2, 2007 @ 9:43 am
Oh, then maybe you should get a Bible from any major Christian bookstores, then join a serious Bible study group. Would be good for you.
Comment by andalas — July 2, 2007 @ 12:07 pm
Why don’t you start one here, under this entry and just give us the damned context.
Comment by abuhanaan — July 2, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
I hate stupid reasoning. Just be frank, andalas. Show your maturity and do not blame people of being “out of context”. Ridiculous and “plain laughable”.
Comment by faqir — July 2, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
Oh, then maybe you should get a Bible from any major Christian bookstores, then join a serious Bible study group. Would be good for you.
Ezekiel
23:1 Datanglah firman TUHAN kepadaku:
23:2 “Hai anak manusia, ada dua orang perempuan, anak dari satu ibu.
23:3 Mereka bersundal di Mesir, mereka bersundal pada masa mudanya; di sana susunya dijamah-jamah dan dada keperawanannya dipegang-pegang.
23:20 Ia berahi kepada kawan-kawannya bersundal, yang auratnya seperti aurat keledai dan zakarnya seperti zakar kuda.
Hmm..can’t wait to buy bibles for my friends…we will have SERIOUS BIBLE STUDY GROUP…some of my VCD selling friends can provide me visual presentation…
Thank you Andals…THIS IS GOOD TO BE TRUE…I AM WAITING ANXIOUSLY FOR MY BIBLE STUDY GROUP…I CAN FEEL THE LOVE OF JESUS FROM ALL THESE VERSE….THANK YOU!!!!
Comment by Saul — July 2, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
Prophets are human beings. Human beings make mistakes.
Prophets made mistakes, but not sins. This is the beauty of Islam, because ALlah told us that prophets didnt make sins especially incest, idolator,lie…
If the person who is suppose to deliver word of God is full of blasphemy, how can people trust them?
Comment by Saul — July 2, 2007 @ 7:33 pm
Mr.Saul, are you aware that in the Bible, Saul later on changed his name to Paul? He had a total change of nature, he persecuted Christians before he became Paul but he was a changed man after that. Maybe we should do some Bible study after all. It’s a pity you took up his old name.
And about the verse you all freaks like to quote(Ezekiel 23), I wonder if you read the whole chapter 23? I you did not, I urge you all to read the whole chapter for context sake.
Go to www.biblegateway.com to read the whole chapter if you’re not comfortable handling a Bible.
Did you all read how angry God was with this people who created such atrocious acts(sexual immorality)? Yeah,it may be graphic but it only goes to show how bad this people were and they got what they deserved, punishment.
Maybe you all didn’t realise it because poor menj didn’t bother to post the whole chapter here.
And oh yeah, Mr.Faqir, it’s not stupid reasoning. Read it for yourself.
May you all one day accept the Good News.
Have a nice day.
[MENJ: Do a search and you will find Ezekiel 23 being posted. The issue is not about whether there was punishment in the end or otherwise, but about the graphic and pornographic language used to describe what is considered an “act of sin”. You don’t use colourful language to describe sin, especially moreso if you are going to attribute it to God!
As for where your “Good News” is concerned, you can shove it in a place where the sun does not shine. We are not interested in the worship of a bloodied, half-naked Roman criminal swinging from a cross.]
Comment by andalas — July 3, 2007 @ 12:31 pm
Mr.Saul, are you aware that in the Bible, Saul later on changed his name to Paul? He had a total change of nature, he persecuted Christians before he became Paul but he was a changed man after that. Maybe we should do some Bible study after all. It’s a pity you took up his old name.
Yes, I am very well aware on that.. and if a Muslim used that name, u must very sure who are u debating with right now…u r not dealing dealing with any typical Muslim…
And about the verse you all freaks like to quote(Ezekiel 23), I wonder if you read the whole chapter 23? I you did not, I urge you all to read the whole chapter for context sake.
Yes, I read the whole Ezekiel indeed.
By the way, u seem to “know” every context of the Bible, so why dont u tell me whatever u know..mind u,that I only accept canonic interpretation not simple logic. Please quote it from your pope or other Bible scholars.
I dont see any interpretation of yours except for crying out loud like Jesus on the cross:
Eli eli lama sabachtani…
Go to www.biblegateway.com to read the whole chapter if you’re not comfortable handling a Bible.
I dont need that..I have at least 2 bibles from two different versions at home, I had bookmarked few online bibles, dont teach me how to read Bible, because I know Bible better than you…
Did you all read how angry God was with this people who created such atrocious acts(sexual immorality)? Yeah,it may be graphic but it only goes to show how bad this people were and they got what they deserved, punishment.
Yes, God is angry with Aholah and Aholibah of course.
Read it to kids at home, and I sure it will be a very educational reading material for every Christian children.
Wow.. a good way of training people to be obedient to God
Maybe you all didn’t realise it because poor menj didn’t bother to post the whole chapter here.
I read the whole chapter when I feel horny…
And oh yeah, Mr.Faqir, it’s not stupid reasoning. Read it for yourself.
May you all one day accept the Good News.
Have a nice day.
Yes, it is a good news to me. We never have such thing in the Quran.
I accept is as a good news of course.
I am having a very cosy night after reading Ezekiel 23. Thank you, for your concern…
Comment by Saul — July 3, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
As a schoolteacher, I will have a talk for my students regarding sexual immorality according to their own respective religion. For the Muslim students, I will quote 17:32, 60:12, 24:2 and 24:4 from Al-Quran. I will conclude to them that Allah forbids adultery and mention the punishments ordered by Allah for those who committed it. As for the Christians students, I will read Ezekiel 23 to the whole including the verses on breast and size of the penis. I will conclude to them that girls should protect their breast from being touched or sucked by other men. However, I’m still in the dark what conclusions or lessons that can be made from the horse’s penis verse of this chapter (Ezekiel 23:20). I browsed to SABDAweb (an Indonesian bible site) but it appears to me that some versions of the Indonesian bible edited Ezekiel 23:3 and 23:20. Among those versions is Firman Allah Yang Hidup, that completely deleted the verses. While Alkitab Kabar Baik deleted the breast parts and translated penis as “nafsu”. I say that some parts of Ezekiel 23 are not suitable for South East Asian culture, as what those two bible versions had proved.
So Andalas, stop defending the indefensible. (And there will be no talk about sexual immorality in my school, though. It’s just hypothetical.)
Comment by abuhanaan — July 3, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
In the name of Allah most gracious, most merciful.
All your quoted passages were interpreted out of context. Plain laughable. Haha.
We do NOT attack Muslims, we only preach the Good News.
THE PERSON WHO WROTE THIS SHOULD ALSO LAUGH AT HIS MISSIONARIES WHO TRIED TO INTERPRATE THE QURAN WITH NO LINGUISTIC KNOWLEDGE OF ARABIC WHICH IS EVEN A GREATER COMEDY.
ANYWAY
Comment by AL=ZARQAWI — July 3, 2007 @ 9:00 pm
IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, MOST GRACIOUS, MOST MERCIFUL.
We do NOT attack Muslims, we only preach the Good News.
FROM THE NEW TESTAMENT
Luke 19: 27
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
FROM THE OLD TESTAMENT
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly adestroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.
IN 1099 WHEN CRUSADERS TOOK JURUSALEM THIS IS WHAT THEY DID ON THE NAME OF CHRIST
Once the Crusaders had breached the outer walls and entered the city almost every inhabitant of Jerusalem was killed over the course of that afternoon, evening and next morning. Muslims, Jews,were all massacred with indiscriminate violenceMany Muslims sought shelter in the Al-Aqsa Mosque, where, according to one famous account in Gesta, “…the slaughter was so great that our men waded in blood up to their ankles…” According to Raymond of Aguilers “men rode in blood up to their knees and bridle reins.” The chronicle of Ibn al-Qalanisi states the Jewish defenders sought refuge in their synagogue, but the “Franks burned it over their heads”, killing everyone inside.[1] The Crusaders circled the flaming building while singing “Christ, We Adore Thee!”.[2] Tancred claimed the Temple quarter for himself and offered protection to some of the Muslims there, but he could not prevent their deaths at the hands of his fellow crusaders.
NOW WE KNOW WHERE DID THE CRUSADERS GOT THEIR RELIGIOUS MOTIVATION FOR SUCH ACTS. SO MUCH FOR THE RELIGION OF LOVE AND GRACE. WHEN MUSLIMS RETOOK JERUSALEM IN 1187 NO NON COMBATANTS WERE PUT TO THE SWORD AS THE MASSACRE IN 1099.
IT WAS THE MUSLIMS IN THIS WAR THAT SHOWED GRACE 800 YEARS AGO.
Comment by AL=ZARQAWI — July 3, 2007 @ 9:46 pm
ANDALAS SAID
Did you all read how angry God was with this people who created such atrocious acts(sexual immorality)? Yeah,it may be graphic but it only goes to show how bad this people were and they got what they deserved, punishment.
Maybe you all didn’t realise it because poor menj didn’t bother to post the whole chapter here.
SO OUR GOOD FRIEND’S LOGIC HERE IS THAT ONE MUST DESCRIBE THE LENGTH OF THE SINNERS FULL ERECTED
PENIS AND THE NATURE OF BREAST FOREPLAY AND ORGY
TO SHOW THE DEGREE OF EVIL HERE. A LOGIC APPLICABLE TO A RELIGION WITH INFINITE FORGIVENESS LIKE MODERN CHRISTIANITY, WHICH GRANTED HEAVEN TO ALL WHO HAVE BEEN BAPTIZE NO MATTER THE DEGREE OF SIN ONE HAVE COMMITTED.
SO THE PORN INDUSTRY CAN APPLY THE LOGIC ABOVE, AND AFTER EVERY SCENE SOMEONE DRESS AS A PRIEST
CAN APPEAR AND INFORM THE PUNISHMENT OF THE PREVIOUS ACT. ANDALAS HAVE SUGGESTED A GOOD USE OF THE PORN INDUSTRY TO DO THE LORD’S WORK.
Comment by AL=ZARQAWI — July 3, 2007 @ 10:26 pm
You all seem pretty incensed huh? If I was not right, then what’s the point of getting angry and refuting all my FACTS?
Mr.Saul, the not so typical Muslim.
First of all, why should I quote if from a pope or some Bible scholar? After all the we do not answer to the Pope and he as well as well as Bible scholars are merely normal human beings created by God to serve Him. Do you get your interpretation ONLY from you imams?
Secondly, you have only 2 versions of the Bible? Lets just say I have many more than you. So you don’t have to boast about it. And mind you, different versions does NOT mean different interpretations, the main gist is there, it is how it is put into words. People who edit Bible verses should be very well aware of this particular verse:
Revelation 22:18-19
New International Version (NIV)
18I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
I read the whole chapter when I feel horny…Yes, it is a good news to me. We never have such thing in the Quran.
I accept is as a good news of course.
I am having a very cosy night after reading Ezekiel 23. Thank you, for your concern…
You must be a disgrace to the Muslim community by saying that…
Mr.Al-Zarqawi,
So now you’re talking about the crusaders yeah?
The crusade was of defensive nature because YOUR crusaders were expanding their kingdom and the knife was on anyone who refused to become a Muslim. Think Etiophia. And you’re saying that only the crusaders committed atrocities? Hypocrites.
Ok, now lets take a look at the current world. Who are the ones shouting ‘God is great!’ while running around major cities with detonation vest around their chest trying to blow up every single person? Who are the AK-totting fellows who also shout the same phrase when shooting at multinational soldiers? Who are the ones who go around chopping people’s head while again, shouting the same phrase?
You see, you shouldn’t warn another brother about a speck of dust in his eye when there is a log in your own eye.
Please, I have absolutely nothing against Muslims. I’m only merely replying to all your allegations here. I’m very well aware that this argument will merely go in circles due to certain people like Mr.menj, Mr.Saul, Mr.Al-Zarqawi, Mr.AbuHanaan and their cohorts.
God is always knocking on your door. May you all learn to accept the Good News.
Have a nice day.
Comment by andalas — July 4, 2007 @ 11:57 am
Q: Who dropped Little Boy? Who dropped cluster bombs? Agent Orange? Who’s in charge of Gitmo and Abu Ghraib? Who’s fighting to satisfy their Zionist Masters?
A: The ever loyal Protestant Terrorists.
Q: What gave them the motivations?
A: “Only believed and you will be redeemed. There is no necessity to bear the hardships of good acts like fasting, abstinence from sins, and humility of confession, be sure that without them and only for your true faith in Christ, you shall certainly get salvation equal to the salvation of Christ.” — Martin Luther, the father of the Reformation.
Anyone who subscribe to this Happy-Go-Lucky religious dogma would not have to think twice to kill women and children throughout the world.
Comment by abuhanaan — July 4, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
whoa…abuhanaan, your statements goes to show how wrong you are yet again.
Q: Who dropped Little Boy? Who dropped cluster bombs? Agent Orange? Who’s in charge of Gitmo and Abu Ghraib? Who’s fighting to satisfy their Zionist Masters?
A: The ever loyal Protestant Terrorists.
Do you mean to say that USA = Christians ?
Well, everyone seems to think that USA is made of Christian citizens only. I can also tell you that they themselves, the Americans, generally think they’re born as Christians , many are not even born-again Christians. You see the difference? NO human being is born a Christian, he BECOMES a Christian through personal conviction unlike Islam.
Pointing fingers at USA to prove that Christians are doing all that atrocities you mentioned is pure nonsense unlike the Muslims who are doing all in the name of Allah.
Q: What gave them the motivations?
A: “Only believed and you will be redeemed. There is no necessity to bear the hardships of good acts like fasting, abstinence from sins, and humility of confession, be sure that without them and only for your true faith in Christ, you shall certainly get salvation equal to the salvation of Christ.†— Martin Luther, the father of the Reformation.
Anyone who subscribe to this Happy-Go-Lucky religious dogma would not have to think twice to kill women and children throughout the world.
Do you seriously know the meaning of Martin Luther’s words?
It simply means that the Salvation of Christ is enough and complete to guarantee men’s salvation and entry into heaven to be with Him forever and ever. No good works, however good it is in men’s eyes will guarantee you a place in heaven! It is said in this Bible verses:
Isaiah 64:6 (New International Version)
6 All of us have become like one who is unclean,
and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags;we all shrivel up like a leaf,and like the wind our sins sweep us away.
Also read this verse:
Ephesians 2:8-10
New International Version (NIV)
8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
A person, when he becomes a believer and not before, is told to share the Gospel and do good unto others and his reward will be plentiful in Heaven, not earth. Mind you though, the reward mentioned is not physical rewards like ‘Houris’, but rather crowns.
Man can never, never guarantee himself a place in Heaven by doing good works.
And also I’m the one who goes around with shouting God’s name in vain.
God is always knocking on your door. May you all learn to accept the Good News. The Truth is always there on your doorstep, it’s either you take it or you don’t.
Have a nice day and God bless.
Comment by andalas — July 4, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
edit: And also I’m NOT the one who goes around shouting God’s name in vain
Comment by andalas — July 4, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
When I wrote Protestant Terrorists, I meant Protestant Terrorists. The word ‘Protestant’ is a noun functions as an adjective to describe the word ‘Terrorist’. They are terrorists, and they are Protestants.
As for the Luther’s saying: “be sure that WITHOUT THEM and ONLY FOR YOUR TRUE FAITH IN CHRIST”
WITHOUT THEM: THEM means good acts like fasting, ABSTINENCE FROM SINS, humility of confession as he mentioned before.
Clearly means here you don’t have to fast,you don’t have to control yourself from committing sins and you don’t have to make confessions, it is enough for you to have faith in Christ hence salvation.
If it’s not a ticket for terror then I don’t know what it is.
Comment by abuhanaan — July 4, 2007 @ 8:32 pm
You all seem pretty incensed huh? If I was not right, then what’s the point of getting angry and refuting all my FACTS?
Refuting all your facts is one of the way to show that you do not understand your own religion and what you have is only blind faith.
First of all, why should I quote if from a pope or some Bible scholar? After all the we do not answer to the Pope and he as well as well as Bible scholars are merely normal human beings created by God to serve Him. Do you get your interpretation ONLY from you imams?
You have miss my point.
First thing is you make a fool of yourself when you wrote:
All your quoted passages were interpreted out of context. Plain laughable. Haha.
We asked you your interpretation for Ezekiel, but no..you never give any. You are so scared that you can say:
After all the we do not answer to the Pope and he as well as well as Bible scholars are merely normal human beings created by God to serve Him.
For the Quran, we have our prophet to guide us the meaning of Al Quran and this interpretation is used to explain every single verse that was revealed to the prophet.
Thus, what is the interpretation of Jesus of Ezekiel? And mind you, that he must be much much superior to give intrepretation because you assume that he is your Lord?
However, we did not and do not find any interpretation of Ezekiel 23 by Jesus.
What you can come out is only interpretation of yourself..a mere normal human being..
And let me remind you, my refutation of saying there is no such thing as human interpretation in Christianity.
Do you know that how accusation of Mary Magdalene as a prostitute starts? It started by interpretation by Pope St Gregory 1, d. 604.
In a sermon whose text is given in Patrologia Latina, 76:1238‑1246, Gregory stated that he believed “that the woman Luke called a sinner and John called Mary was the Mary out of whom Mark declared that seven demons were cast” (”Hanc vero quam Lucas peccatricem mulierem, Joannes Mariam nominat, illam else Mariam credimus de qua Marcus septem damonia ejecta fuisse testatur”, thus identifying the sinner of Luke &:37, the Mary of John 11:2 and (12:3 (the sister of Lazarus and Martha of Bethany), and the Mary Magdalene of Mark 16:9 from whom Jesus had cast out seven demons.
So, if you want to talk about God’s interpretation, refer back to the history of your religion!
And give me the interpretation of
Jesus of Ezekiel 23…
Comment by Saul — July 4, 2007 @ 9:03 pm
Secondly, you have only 2 versions of the Bible? Lets just say I have many more than you. So you don’t have to boast about it. And mind you, different versions does NOT mean different interpretations, the main gist is there, it is how it is put into words.
Well…I have to boast because you have a mindset that Muslims are scared to hold and read your “precious” Bible (refering to Ezekiel 23). Mind you that I have mentioned that I got two bibles which is the New Testament English (TEV) and New King James Version.
So,give your listing, if you want to boast..
Hahaha..Thank you for writing this:
And mind you, different versions does NOT mean different interpretations, the main gist is there, it is how it is put into words. People who edit Bible verses should be very well aware of this particular verse:
Revelation 22:18-19 Revised Standard Version(RSV)
18: I warn every one who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if any one adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book,
19: and if any one takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
Revelation 22:18-19 King James Version
18: For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Okay..you are somesort proud of the so called “gist” of your Bible..
Let me show you how the hands of The Christians had tempered the “gist” of the New Testament:
Acts 10:38-39 (RSV)
38: how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power; how he went about doing good and healing all that were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.
39: And we are witnesses to all that he did both in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They put him to death by hanging him on a tree;
Wait a minute…
Did Jesus died because he was crucified or he was hanged on a tree?
And the Christians had done something that could invite plagues and whatever to them by changing the word of God with their hand:
Acts 10:38-39 New Testament English (TEV)
38: You know about Jesus of Nazareth and how God poured out on him the Holy Spirit and power. He went everywhere, doing good and healing all who were under the power of the Devil, for God was with him.
39: We are witnesses of everything that he did in the land of Israel and in Jerusalem. Then they put him to death by nailing him to a cross.
Wow…abrupt changes suddenly…
Well, next time if you want to scare any australian/ foreigners from smuggling drug to Malaysia, you can say that the penalty of the crime is nailing that person to cross until he died. That is the capital punishment in Malaysia..
I want to elaborate more:
In TEV for Luke 24:51
As he was blessing them, he departed them and was taken up into heaven.
A footnote is added and surprisingly it states:
g Some manuscripts do not have and he was taken up to heaven
Oh my God! This is actually the foundation of Christianity where you believe that Jesus is carried up to heaven and in the verse, the word had been added to the manuscript.
Can you answer me? Who give these people the authority to omit, to change and to add the verses in the Bible?
Comment by Saul — July 4, 2007 @ 9:41 pm
You must be a disgrace to the Muslim community by saying that…
I think you must be really disgusted with Ezekiel 23.
Thank you for putting Islams superior morality above all…
And you are the most welcome.
God is always knocking on your door. May you all learn to accept the Good News. The Truth is always there on your doorstep, it’s either you take it or you don’t.
Yes, God is knocking the door to tell you what you are believing in now is in vain
The truth is now in front of you either you take it or you dont. Or do I need to put more things that Christians should be punished for their hands of corrupting Bibles..
Or you just found that how good Ezekiel 23 is and find it hard to let go?
Comment by Saul — July 4, 2007 @ 9:48 pm
Ephesians 2:8-10
New International Version (NIV)
8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
A person, when he becomes a believer and not before, is told to share the Gospel and do good unto others and his reward will be plentiful in Heaven, not earth. Mind you though, the reward mentioned is not physical rewards like ‘Houris’, but rather crowns.
A typical apolegetic answer from a Christian.
First of all, are you a Jew? And do you know people like you are liken to dogs by Jesus? Are you going to be saved by this guy who claimed that he was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel?
22: And behold, a Canaanite woman from that region came out and cried, “Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David; my daughter is severely possessed by a demon.”
23: But he did not answer her a word. And his disciples came and begged him, saying, “Send her away, for she is crying after us.”
24: He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
25: But she came and knelt before him, saying, “Lord, help me.”
26: And he answered, “It is not fair to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.”
27: She said, “Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters’ table.”
28: Then Jesus answered her, “O woman, great is your faith! Be it done for you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed instantly.
But in Islam, people from every races are equal. Allah never called any races as dogs and the salvation in Islam is to say There is No God but God (Allah) and Muhammad is the prophet of Allah.
Then,to do good, perform the prayers, to give alms and to fast.
If you do all these, you are the right candidate for the paradise promised by Allah.
Comment by Saul — July 4, 2007 @ 9:59 pm
Mr.Al-Zarqawi,
So now you’re talking about the crusaders yeah?
The crusade was of defensive nature because YOUR crusaders were expanding their kingdom
THE CRUSADES A DEFENSE YEAH, HMM THE FACT THAT IF IT WAS SELF DEFENCE THEN WHY DID THE NATION OF EUROPEAN CHRISTIAN STARTED THE CRUSADE NEARLY 400
YEARS AFTER JERUSALEM AND MOST OF PALESTINE WHERE UNDER UNDER MUSLIM RULE.A LITTLE TO LATE FOR SELF DEFENCE I GUESS SOUNS MORE LIKE RECONQUEST. AND TO THINK THAT THE ROMANS WERE INVADERS THEMSELVES WHO CONQUERED THIS LANDS BEFORE DOESN’T MAKE THE BYZANTINES NATIVE TO THIS LAND EITHER.
AND YOU FAIL TO MENTION THAT THE BYZANTINE DECLARED WAR AGAINST THE MUSLIMS AND LOST MANY BATTLES AS EARLY AS 634.THEREFORE LANDS THAT WERE
GAIN BECAME MUSLIM TERRITORY.THE BYZANTINES WERE EVEN AT WAR WITH THE SELJUK TURKS, AND FEARING DEFEAT THEY CALL UPON THEIR WESTERN ALLIES FOR HELP NEARING THE CRUSADES.
ANYWAY IF YOU THINK KILLING NON COMBATANTS INCLUDING CHILDREN IS SELF DEFENCE YOU ONLY PROVE MY POINT OF ‘SWINESHIT’ ON CHRISTIANITY’S GRACE. THE POINT IS, IT WAS A WAR AND THE LOSERS HAD TO PAY THE PRICE BY LOSING LANDS. YOU SHOULD SEE HOW CHARLEMAGNE CONQUERED PAGAN SCANDINAVIA,
VERY BLOODY. IT WAS NEVER THE CONQUEST OF LANDS BY CRUSADERS THAT THE MUSLIMS REMEMBER BUT IT WAS THE GENOCIDE CULTURE THAT WAS SHOWN THAT PROMPT A COUNTER JIHAD.
the knife was on anyone who refused to become a Muslim.
IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN WHY ARE THERE STILL CHRISTIAN SOCIETIES AND CHURCHES IN EGYPT AND SYRIA TODAY. IF INDEED THE MUSLIM RULERS AND ISLAM IMPLEMENT FORCE CONVERSION WHY IS THERE THE NEED TO POST JIZYA TEXT TO JEWS AND CHRISTIANS.
Arab Administration
The new rulers divided Syria into four districts (junds): Damascus, Hims, Jordan, and Palestine (to which a fifth, Kinnasrin, was later added)[1] and the Arab garrisons were kept apart in camps, and life went on much as before for the local population.[1] Conversion to Islam was limited to the Arab tribes already settled in Syria; except for the tribe of Ghassan.[1] The Muslim’s adopted policy of tolerance towards other religions, resulting in a positive effect on the new subject people, especially the Christians Nestorian and Jacobite Christians and Jews (People of the Book), who had been previously persecuted under Byzantine rule.[5][1] The loyalty of his new subjects was paramount to the success of Muslim rule in the region, therefore excessive taxation or oppression was avoided.[5] The taxes instituted were the kharaj - a tax that landowners and peasants paid according to the productivity of their fields - as well as the jizya - paid by non-Muslims in return for the freedom to practice their own religion.[
IF YOU WANNA SEE FORCE CONVERSION READ ABOUT THE
INQUISITIONS IN SPAIN.CAN YOU TELL ME ANDALAS WHERE ARE THE ORIGINAL SPANISH AND SICILIAN MUSLIMS TDY? NOT IMMIGRANTS BUT PURE SPANIARD MUSLIMS WHOSE LINEAGE COULD BE TRACE FROM 1492. MADE EXTINCT BY CHRISTIAN RULE.THE MUSLIMS RULERS ONLY IMPOSE TAXES AND YOU CLAIM OF FORCE CONVERSIAN WHICH HAS NO BASIS IN HISTORY AND THEOLOGY.
Think Etiophia. And you’re saying that only the crusaders committed atrocities? Hypocrites.
ANDALAS IN MY STATEMENT DID I MENTION ‘ONLY’
CRUSADERS COMMIT ATROCITIES, NOPE. I ONLY POINT
OUT THAT THE CRUSADERS DID COMMIT GENOCIDE,IN WHICH THEY DID. ITS YOUR OWN ASSUMPTION THAT IS IN QUESTION HERE.DID I CONDONE ANY ATROCITIES TO NON COMBATANTS ? BUT YOU DID BY SAYING THE CRUSADES IS AN ACT OF SELF DEFENCE. WHICH MEANS YOUR ARE A HYPOCRITE AND A STRAW MAN. AND CAN YOU PLEASE HIGHLIGHT TO ME ABOUT ETHIOPIA?
END OF PART 1.
Comment by AL=ZARQAWI — July 4, 2007 @ 10:17 pm
ANDALAS SAID,
Ok, now lets take a look at the current world. Who are the ones shouting ‘God is great!’ while running around major cities with detonation vest around their chest trying to blow up every single person?
KILLING A NON COMBATANT IN NOT ISLAMIC WARFARE AND FOR THE PROPHET HAS STRICTLY PROHIBIT THIS REGARDLESS THE REASON.THEREFORE ANY ACT OF WARFARE WHICH INVOLVE THE DIRECT KILLING OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS IS CONDEMN EVEN THOUGH DONE BY FELLOW MUSLIMS. IN ISLAM THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS DOING TERRORISM TO FIGHT OPPRESSION OF OUR ENEMIES, WE ARE NOT CRUSADERS WHO ARE GRANTED IMMUNITY TO SPILL THE BLOOD OF NON CHRISTIAN CIVILIANS, IN FACT WE NOW SEE THE ORIGINS OF
TERRORISM. IT IS A CRUSADE CULTURE, IN WHERE THE MODE OF WARFARE IS TO KILL CIVILIANS AS HAVE THE CRUSADERS DID AND IS CONSIDERED SELF DEFENCE BY
THEM(SUPPORTED BY ANDALAS). MUSLIMS WHO COMMIT SUCH ACTS ARE CRUSADERS AND SHOULD BE DEALT WITH LIKE CRUSADERS.
ANDALAS SAID,
Who are the AK-totting fellows who also shout the same phrase when shooting at multinational soldiers?
THE MULTINATIONAL SOLDIERS LIKE THE CHRISTIAN CRUSADERS BEFORE THEM ARE INVADERS NOT LIBERATORS.WHERE IS THE JUSTIFICATION FOR IRAQ’S INVASION ? WHERE ARE THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION? WHAT IS THE CONNECTION OD SADDAM WITH AL-QAEDA? THE INVASION HAD NO APPROVAL FROM
UN, AND THEREFORE THE MULTINATIONAL ARMY IS NOTHING MORE BUT HORDES OF INVADERS.THERE ARE COMBATANTS AND INVADERS WHO ARE ARMED AND HAVE COMMITED ATROCITIES TO INNOCENT CIVILIANS JUST AS THE CHRISTIAN CRUSADERS 900 YEARS AGO. THEREFORE THEY MUST BE FOUGHT AND PUSHED BACK AND IT IS JIHAD TO COUNTER ENEMY COMBATANTS WHO HAVE COME TO TAKE YOUR LAND, KILL YOUR CHILDREN AND RAPE YOUR WOMAN FOLK.
ANDALAS SAID.
Who are the ones who go around chopping people’s head while again, shouting the same phrase?
LIKE I SAID WHEN MUSLIMS BEHAVE LIKE CRUSADERS,THEN THEY SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE CRUSADERS. IF INDEED ABU MUSAB REALLY DID THAT, THEN HE DESERVE WHAT HAS HAPPEN TO HIM. BUT ITS FUNNY THAT SOMEONE WHO PROUDLY CONFESS WHO HE IS
BUT COVER HIS FACE BEFORE DOING AN ACT WHICH HE CONDONES AS A MOMENT OF GLORY.THE FACT IS THE PERSON BEHING THE MASK COULD ME ANYONE INCLUDING THE CIA. AND TO THINK THAT THE CIA WERE BEHIND MANY BOMBINGS IN SAIGON, BEFORE THE CIVIL WAR BETWEEN NORTH AND SOUTH VIETNAM HAPPEN.
ANDALAS SAID :
Please, I have absolutely nothing against Muslims. I’m only merely replying to all your allegations here
FOR SOMEONE WHO THINKS THAT THE CRUSADES AND ITS ATROCITIES ARE AN ACT OF SELF DEFENCE YOU ARE ONE DAMN LOUSY LIAR.
Comment by AL=ZARQAWI — July 4, 2007 @ 11:12 pm
Pointing fingers at USA to prove that Christians are doing all that atrocities you mentioned is pure nonsense unlike the Muslims who are doing all in the name of Allah.
edit: And also I’m NOT the one who goes around shouting God’s name in vain
WHAT WE SEE HERE ITS TYPICAL CHRISTIAN DOUBLE STANDARD. ALWAYS WHEN MUSLIMS COMMIT ACTS OF TERRORISM THEIR FAITH IS PUT ON TRIAL. BUT WHEN CHRISTIANS COMMIT ATROCITIES THEIR RELIGION RECEIVES IMMUNITY, AND AS LONG AS THE NAME OF CHRIST IS NOT MENTION THEY CAN COMMIT PLUNDER, RAPE AND MURDER.
TO MUSLIMS TERRORIST , JUST APPLY THIS LOGIC.YOU CAN BOMB CHURCHES, HACK OFF MISSIONARIES HEADS,
BUT NEVER MENTION THE NAME OF ALLAH INSTEAD SAY HELLELUYAH, WHEN YOU DO THAT , ISLAM GETS IMMUNITY AND THE CHRISTIAN’S WILL NOT BLAME YOUR RELIGION FOR THAT.
THE MORONIC LOGIC OF ANDALAS
DEFENDER OF THE CRUSADES.
SADLY AS GOOD AS IT SOUNDS EVEN I CANT ACCEPT SUCH LOGIC.
Comment by AL=ZARQAWI — July 5, 2007 @ 1:35 am
and the comments and shouts keep rolling in…what a long list.
Mr.AbuHanaan,
I didn’t want to repeat myself but as I’ve said, good works like fasting, avoiding sins(it is sometimes unavoidable, but there is always something called forgiveness from God), charity work, and mcuh more. All this are just filthy rags in God’s eyes. Just accept Jesus Christ as your personal saviour and do good unto others as well share the Good News you have received.
Mr.Saul,
Refuting all your facts is one of the way to show that you do not understand your own religion and what you have is only blind faith.
…and by what proof that you’re alleging that I do not understand my faith(i’d rather call it a faith, religion comes will all kinds of rituals and stuff that their own followers blindly follow) better than you, ironic isn’t it since you’re not the one who’s a Christian right? Only by a few words and you THINK you know better. Haha.
We asked you your interpretation for Ezekiel, but no..you never give any. You are so scared that you can say:
After all the we do not answer to the Pope and he as well as well as Bible scholars are merely normal human beings created by God to serve Him.
Why a need for an interpretation? Isn’t it clear enough for your preverted minds? The Bible verses in Ezekiel 23 isn’t preverted in its own nature, it is meant by God as a warning to those who has a desire to do such atrocities, they will be PUNISHED SEVERELY, think Sodom and Gomorrah.
So please do not place your claims that Bible is corrupted by just repeating your references again and again upon this verses. That is not how a man of wisdom speaks.
For the Quran, we have our prophet to guide us the meaning of Al Quran and this interpretation is used to explain every single verse that was revealed to the prophet.
Thus, what is the interpretation of Jesus of Ezekiel? And mind you, that he must be much much superior to give intrepretation because you assume that he is your Lord?
However, we did not and do not find any interpretation of Ezekiel 23 by Jesus.
The verses are already clear enough to show that God does not tolerate such atrocities, so why the interpretation from Jesus? If he wanted to warn people on sexual immorality, he has already done it.
And let me remind you, my refutation of saying there is no such thing as human interpretation in Christianity.
Really? And what is the purpose of Bible studies? Isn’t it to share our knowledge among fellow Christians as well as our own interpretations for everybody’s benefit. Not every individual’s interpretation is correct but by having Bible studies, we can discuss and pray about it. We Christians will never boast that we understand every chapter, every verse and every word in the Bible, we are still in the learning process as God reveals it to us daily.
Is is not the prophets or any other human beings who is the one guiding us through the Bible but God Himself. Who but God Himself has the full authority to interpret and guide His people on His very own words? When the prophets wrote His words, they were inspired by God, not by the prophet’s own ideas and thoughts, like your Hadith?
Do you know that how accusation of Mary Magdalene as a prostitute starts? It started by interpretation by Pope St Gregory 1, d. 604.
Remember Martin Luther, the father of Reformation? We do not subscribe to the Pope’s belief, he is a mere human being.
Well…I have to boast because you have a mindset that Muslims are scared to hold and read your “precious†Bible (refering to Ezekiel 23). Mind you that I have mentioned that I got two bibles which is the New Testament English (TEV) and New King James Version.
So,give your listing, if you want to boast..
I do not want to be known as one who boast about how many Bible versions he has at home but since you’ve asked, I have the pleasure of listing them down:
New Internation Version(NIV)
New King James Version(NKJV)
New Living Translation(NLT)
New American Standard Bible(NASB)
Comtemporary English Version(CEV)
Al-Kitab Indonesian Language Bible
Okay..you are somesort proud of the so called “gist†of your Bible..
Let me show you how the hands of The Christians had tempered the “gist†of the New Testament:
Acts 10:38-39 (RSV)
38: how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power; how he went about doing good and healing all that were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.
39: And we are witnesses to all that he did both in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They put him to death by hanging him on a tree;
Wait a minute…
Did Jesus died because he was crucified or he was hanged on a tree?
And the Christians had done something that could invite plagues and whatever to them by changing the word of God with their hand:
Acts 10:38-39 New Testament English (TEV)
38: You know about Jesus of Nazareth and how God poured out on him the Holy Spirit and power. He went everywhere, doing good and healing all who were under the power of the Devil, for God was with him.
39: We are witnesses of everything that he did in the land of Israel and in Jerusalem. Then they put him to death by nailing him to a cross.
Wow…abrupt changes suddenly…
I was wondering why you could come up with such a thing to make a fool our yourselves.
First of all, look at the versions my brother. Revised Standard Version(RSV) and New Testament English(TEV). Does it mean anything to you?
The phrase ‘hanging him on a tree’ can also be said as ‘nailing him to a cross’. What is a cross made from? Wood. What is wood made from? A tree! So I don’t see your point in saying that the Bible is corrupted by just showing me this different versions of a text which basically has the meaning! And also please be reminded the gist is always still there.
g Some manuscripts do not have and he was taken up to heaven
For your info, the Gospel of Matthew and John does not state the phrase ‘and he was taken up to heaven’, why you may ask? The apostle Matthew probably wanted to stress on the Great Commission as for John, read this verse:
John 21:25 (New International Version)
25Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
Since Jesus’ ascension the Heaven has been mentioned in Mark and Luke, there is no need for it to be repeated in the gospel of Matthew and John. They all complement one another, you see the beauty of the Bible?
I think you must be really disgusted with Ezekiel 23.
Thank you for putting Islams superior morality above all…
And you are the most welcome.
I’m not disgusted at all. Why should I be disgusted at God’s word? Wh do you even say that I’m actually placing Islam as a superior morality? Looks like you need a refresher course in English.
I was stating that you’re a disgrace because you said this…
I read the whole chapter when I feel horny…Yes, it is a good news to me. We never have such thing in the Quran.
I accept is as a good news of course.
I am having a very cosy night after reading Ezekiel 23. Thank you, for your concern…
What kind of man with ‘high standard of morality’ would treat God’s word(or for your disbelief, Holy Book) with such disrespect? Only a beast would do that.
The truth is now in front of you either you take it or you dont. Or do I need to put more things that Christians should be punished for their hands of corrupting Bibles..
I need concrete proofs that the Bible is corrupted, don’t merely say it, we need proof. I can’t show you how corrupted the Quran is.
Take a look at this video:
[MENJ: Anti-Islam video deleted.]
So you Muslims were created from sperms mixed with menstrual blood?
The earth is flat? Meteorites are fallen angels cast out from heaven by Allah? And much more.
That’s what I call pure child fantasy.
A typical apolegetic answer from a Christian.
First of all, are you a Jew? And do you know people like you are liken to dogs by Jesus? Are you going to be saved by this guy who claimed that he was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel?
I’m not a Jew. And do you that is another metaphore? That proves you do NOT read the Bible that often. Maybe you only read it when you need to refute people like me.
Read these verses:
John 3:16(NIV)
16″For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Take note of ‘world’ and ‘whoever’
Matthew 24:14(NIV)
14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
Matthew 28:19 (NIV)
19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Revelation 7:9 (NIV)
The Great Multitude in White Robes
9After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.
Then,to do good, perform the prayers, to give alms and to fast.
If you do all these, you are the right candidate for the paradise promised by Allah.
The again, your good works will not make a candidate for heaven.
And I think Islam isn’t very fair in terms of gender equality, take a look a this videos:
[MENJ: Anti-Islam videos deleted.]
You can watch the verbal comments by your fellow brothers.
God is always knocking on your door. May you all learn to accept the Good News. The Truth is ALWAYS there on your doorstep, it’s either you take it or you don’t.
Have a nice day and God bless.
Comment by andalas — July 5, 2007 @ 2:16 pm
and the comments and shouts keep rolling in…what a long list.
Mr.AbuHanaan,
I didn’t want to repeat myself but as I’ve said, good works like fasting, avoiding sins(it is sometimes unavoidable, but there is always something called forgiveness from God), charity work, and mcuh more. All this are just filthy rags in God’s eyes. Just accept Jesus Christ as your personal saviour and do good unto others as well share the Good News you have received.
Mr.Saul,
Refuting all your facts is one of the way to show that you do not understand your own religion and what you have is only blind faith.
…and by what proof that you’re alleging that I do not understand my faith(i’d rather call it a faith, religion comes will all kinds of rituals and stuff that their own followers blindly follow) better than you, ironic isn’t it since you’re not the one who’s a Christian right? Only by a few words and you THINK you know better. Haha.
We asked you your interpretation for Ezekiel, but no..you never give any. You are so scared that you can say:
After all the we do not answer to the Pope and he as well as well as Bible scholars are merely normal human beings created by God to serve Him.
Why a need for an interpretation? Isn’t it clear enough for your preverted minds? The Bible verses in Ezekiel 23 isn’t preverted in its own nature, it is meant by God as a warning to those who has a desire to do such atrocities, they will be PUNISHED SEVERELY, think Sodom and Gomorrah.
So please do not place your claims that Bible is corrupted by just repeating your references again and again upon this verses. That is not how a man of wisdom speaks.
For the Quran, we have our prophet to guide us the meaning of Al Quran and this interpretation is used to explain every single verse that was revealed to the prophet.
Thus, what is the interpretation of Jesus of Ezekiel? And mind you, that he must be much much superior to give intrepretation because you assume that he is your Lord?
However, we did not and do not find any interpretation of Ezekiel 23 by Jesus.
The verses are already clear enough to show that God does not tolerate such atrocities, so why the interpretation from Jesus? If he wanted to warn people on sexual immorality, he has already done it.
And let me remind you, my refutation of saying there is no such thing as human interpretation in Christianity.
Really? And what is the purpose of Bible studies? Isn’t it to share our knowledge among fellow Christians as well as our own interpretations for everybody’s benefit. Not every individual’s interpretation is correct but by having Bible studies, we can discuss and pray about it. We Christians will never boast that we understand every chapter, every verse and every word in the Bible, we are still in the learning process as God reveals it to us daily.
Is is not the prophets or any other human beings who is the one guiding us through the Bible but God Himself. Who but God Himself has the full authority to interpret and guide His people on His very own words? When the prophets wrote His words, they were inspired by God, not by the prophet’s own ideas and thoughts, like your Hadith?
Do you know that how accusation of Mary Magdalene as a prostitute starts? It started by interpretation by Pope St Gregory 1, d. 604.
Remember Martin Luther, the father of Reformation? We do not subscribe to the Pope’s belief, he is a mere human being.
Well…I have to boast because you have a mindset that Muslims are scared to hold and read your “precious†Bible (refering to Ezekiel 23). Mind you that I have mentioned that I got two bibles which is the New Testament English (TEV) and New King James Version.
So,give your listing, if you want to boast..
I do not want to be known as one who boast about how many Bible versions he has at home but since you’ve asked, I have the pleasure of listing them down:
New Internation Version(NIV)
New King James Version(NKJV)
New Living Translation(NLT)
New American Standard Bible(NASB)
Comtemporary English Version(CEV)
Al-Kitab Indonesian Language Bible
Okay..you are somesort proud of the so called “gist†of your Bible..
Let me show you how the hands of The Christians had tempered the “gist†of the New Testament:
Acts 10:38-39 (RSV)
38: how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power; how he went about doing good and healing all that were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.
39: And we are witnesses to all that he did both in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They put him to death by hanging him on a tree;
Wait a minute…
Did Jesus died because he was crucified or he was hanged on a tree?
And the Christians had done something that could invite plagues and whatever to them by changing the word of God with their hand:
Acts 10:38-39 New Testament English (TEV)
38: You know about Jesus of Nazareth and how God poured out on him the Holy Spirit and power. He went everywhere, doing good and healing all who were under the power of the Devil, for God was with him.
39: We are witnesses of everything that he did in the land of Israel and in Jerusalem. Then they put him to death by nailing him to a cross.
Wow…abrupt changes suddenly…
I was wondering why you could come up with such a thing to make a fool our yourselves.
First of all, look at the versions my brother. Revised Standard Version(RSV) and New Testament English(TEV). Does it mean anything to you?
The phrase ‘hanging him on a tree’ can also be said as ‘nailing him to a cross’. What is a cross made from? Wood. What is wood made from? A tree! So I don’t see your point in saying that the Bible is corrupted by just showing me this different versions of a text which basically has the meaning! And also please be reminded the gist is always still there.
g Some manuscripts do not have and he was taken up to heaven
For your info, the Gospel of Matthew and John does not state the phrase ‘and he was taken up to heaven’, why you may ask? The apostle Matthew probably wanted to stress on the Great Commission as for John, read this verse:
John 21:25 (New International Version)
25Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
Since Jesus’ ascension the Heaven has been mentioned in Mark and Luke, there is no need for it to be repeated in the gospel of Matthew and John. They all complement one another, you see the beauty of the Bible?
I think you must be really disgusted with Ezekiel 23.
Thank you for putting Islams superior morality above all…
And you are the most welcome.
I’m not disgusted at all. Why should I be disgusted at God’s word? Wh do you even say that I’m actually placing Islam as a superior morality? Looks like you need a refresher course in English.
I was stating that you’re a disgrace because you said this…
I read the whole chapter when I feel horny…Yes, it is a good news to me. We never have such thing in the Quran.
I accept is as a good news of course.
I am having a very cosy night after reading Ezekiel 23. Thank you, for your concern…
What kind of man with ‘high standard of morality’ would treat God’s word(or for your disbelief, Holy Book) with such disrespect? Only a beast would do that.
The truth is now in front of you either you take it or you dont. Or do I need to put more things that Christians should be punished for their hands of corrupting Bibles..
I need concrete proofs that the Bible is corrupted, don’t merely say it, we need proof. I can’t show you how corrupted the Quran is.
Take a look at this video:
[MENJ: Anti-Islam video deleted.]
So you Muslims were created from sperms mixed with menstrual blood?
The earth is flat? Meteorites are fallen angels cast out from heaven by Allah? And much more.
That’s what I call pure child fantasy.
A typical apolegetic answer from a Christian.
First of all, are you a Jew? And do you know people like you are liken to dogs by Jesus? Are you going to be saved by this guy who claimed that he was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel?
I’m not a Jew. And do you that is another metaphore? That proves you do NOT read the Bible that often. Maybe you only read it when you need to refute people like me.
Read these verses:
John 3:16(NIV)
16″For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Take note of ‘world’ and ‘whoever’
Matthew 24:14(NIV)
14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
Matthew 28:19 (NIV)
19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Revelation 7:9 (NIV)
The Great Multitude in White Robes
9After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.
Then,to do good, perform the prayers, to give alms and to fast.
If you do all these, you are the right candidate for the paradise promised by Allah.
The again, your good works will not make a candidate for heaven.
And I think Islam isn’t very fair in terms of gender equality, take a look a this videos:
[MENJ: Anti-Islam videos deleted.]
You can watch the verbal comments by your fellow brothers.
God is always knocking on your door. May you all learn to accept the Good News. The Truth is ALWAYS there on your doorstep, it’s either you take it or you don’t.
Have a nice day and God bless.
Comment by andalass — July 5, 2007 @ 7:14 pm
1)Good works are filthy rags in God’s eyes? That’s the whole point. Now we know why Protestant Terrorists always looking for methods to create trouble throughout the world. They believe that God sees good works as filthy rags, so why bother?
2)Still no rebuttal, or excuse why some Indonesian bible deleted some parts of Ezekiel 23. I say they are not compatible with Asian culture. If you want to say there’s some trouble with the printing machines, I think I’ll accept that to save you some face.
3)So you Muslims were created from sperms mixed with menstrual blood?
The earth is flat? Meteorites are fallen angels cast out from heaven by Allah? And much more.
That’s what I call pure child fantasy.
Show us the Qur’anic verses pertaining all these, please.
4)Still no context given, on the “laughable” misinterpret verses regarding terrorism in the Bible.
5)Precisely, there is no gender equality in Islam. Man is unique, and so is woman. And we value our women’s womb, we appreciate and thankful to them for their labor pain. Their labor pain is not a punishment for somebody else’s mistake.
6)Before I open the door, I need to be sure who’s knocking: 1)God 2)Man 3)Lamb. If he says that he’s all three then he’s a damn liar. For the record, I’ve never let a livestock in. Not sure about other Muslim brothers.
Comment by abuhanaan — July 5, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
In the name of Allah most gracious, most merciful.
Andalas said,
The phrase ‘hanging him on a tree’ can also be said as ‘nailing him to a cross’. What is a cross made from? Wood. What is wood made from? A tree! So I don’t see your point in saying that the Bible is corrupted by just showing me this different versions of a text which basically has the meaning! And also please be reminded the gist is always still there.
THE LOGIC THAT IS APPLIED HERE TO SAY THAT :
HANGING ON A TREE = NAILING ON A CROSS
EVEN A KINDERGARDEN STUDENT WILL TELL YOU THAT BOTH STATEMENTS MEANS DIFFERENT MODE OF EXECUTION. TO APPLY TO SAY THAT A CROSS IS THE SAME AS A TREE IS YOUR OWN DESPERATE LOGIC TO COVER UP CONTRADICTION IN THE BIBLE. THE CROSS ITS NOT THE ONLY BI PRODUCT OF WOOD AND WOOD ITS NOT ONLY THE BI PRODUCT OF A TREE.
WHAT CAN WE GET FROM TREE: WOOD FROM TRUNK, LEAVES, SAP(RUBBER),
WHAT CAN WE GET FROM WOOD:FURNITURE,CANE,PAPER,STAKE
BY USING YOUR LOGIC ONE CAN ALSO SAY
HANGING ON A TREE = IMPALEMENT ON A STAKE = NAILING ON A CROSS. ALL THREE DIFFERENT MODE OF EXECUTION. BUT IN CHRISTIANITY IT HAS TO BE THE CROSS(YOUR HOLY SYMBOL) OR ELSE CHRISTIANS BETTER START WEAR A TREE OR A STAKE. ALL THREE FORM OF EXECUTION THE VICTIMS ARE SUSPENDED IN THE AIR . AND THE WORD HANGING ITSELF MEANS
specifically to put to death by suspension by the neck, ALTHOUGH IN BOTH IMPALEMENT AND CRUCIFICATION VICTIMS ARE SUSPENDED. YOUR LOGIC CAN EASILY BE REFUTED HERE AND INDICATES SERIOUS CONTRADICTIONS OF THE BIBLE.
AND IF YOU CLAIM THAT:
HANGING ON A TREE = NAILING ON A CROSS.THEN JESUS
IS A CURSED MAN AS STATED IN DEUTERONOMY 21:22-23
“And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree: His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.”
Comment by AL=ZARQAWI — July 6, 2007 @ 1:55 am
And I think Islam isn’t very fair in terms of gender equality, take a look a this videos:
AND TO THINK THAT CHRISTIANITY IS FAIR AMONG GENDER
LETS SEE THE BIBLE ACCORDING TO ST PAUL
1 Corinthians 14:34-35 :: King James Version (KJV)
34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 35And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
(I Timothy 2:11-14 NKJV).
Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression
ARE THE VERSES ABOVE PREACH MODERN GENDER EQUALITY VALUE OF TODAY, I DON’T THINK SO.
Comment by AL=ZARQAWI — July 6, 2007 @ 2:41 am
IN the name of Allah. most gracious, most merciful.
the confusion between tree and cross on different verses of the new testament: (KJV)
Tree?
Acts 5
30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a TREE.
Acts 10
39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a TREE:
Acts 13
29 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the TREE, and laid him in a sepulchre.
CROSS?
Matthew 27
40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the CROSS.
Mark 15
30 Save thyself, and come down from the CROSS.
Luke 23
26 And as they led him away, they laid hold upon one Simon, a Cyrenian, coming out of the country, and on him they laid the CROSS, that he might bear it after Jesus.
John 19
19 And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the CROSS. And the writing was JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.
this confusion can be explained in Apocalypse of PETER. Here is part of it :
“Come therefore, let us go on with the completion of the will of the incorruptible Father. For behold, those who will bring them judgment are coming, and they will be put to shame. But me they cannot touch. And you, O Peter, shall stand in their midst. Do not be afraid because of your cowardice. Their minds shall be closed, for the invisible one has opposed them.”
When he said those things, I saw him seemingly being seized by them. And I said “What do I see, O Lord, that it is you yourself whom they take, and that you are grasping me? Or who is this one, glad and laughing on the tree? And is it another one whose feet and hands they are striking?”
The Savior said to me,( “He whom you saw on the tree, glad and laughing, this is the living Jesus. But this one into whose hands and feet they drive the nails is his fleshly part, which is the substitute being put to shame, the one who came into being in his likeness. But look at him and me.”)
But I, when I had looked, said “Lord, no one is looking at you. Let us flee this place.” But he said to me, “I have told you, “Leave the blind alone!” And you, see how they do not know what they are saying. For the son of their glory instead of my servant, they have put to shame.”
And I saw someone about to approach us resembling him, even him who was laughing on the tree. And he was filled with a Holy Spirit, and he is the Savior. And there was a great, ineffable light around them, and the multitude of ineffable and invisible angels blessing them. And when I looked at him, the one who gives praise was revealed. And he said to me, “Be strong, for you are the one to whom these mysteries have been given, to know them through revelation, that he whom they crucified is the first-born, and the home of demons, and the stony vessel, in which they dwell, of Elohim, of the cross, which is under the Law. But he who stands near him is the living Savior, the first in him, whom they seized and released, who stands joyfully looking those who did him violence, while they are divided among themselves. Therefore he laughs at their lack of perception, knowing that they are born blind. So then the one susceptible to suffering shall come, since the body is the substitute. But what they released was my incorporeal body. But I am the intellectual Spirit filled with radiant light. He whom you saw coming to me is our intellectual Pleroma , which unites the perfect light with my Holy Spirit.”
“These things, then, which you saw you shall present to those of another race who are not of this age (i.e., the Arabs who then became Muslims). For there will be no honor in any man who is not immortal, which has shown that it is able to contain him who gives his abundance. Therefore I said, “Every one who has, it will be given to him, and he will have plenty.” But he who does not have, that is, the man of this place, who is completely dead, who is removed from the planting of the creation of what is begotten, whom, if one of the immortal essence appears, they think that they possess him - it will be taken from him and be added to the one who is. You, therefore, be courageous and do not fear at all. For I shall be with you in order that none of your enemies may prevail unto you. Peace be to you, Be strong!”
MANY REVELATIONS ARE SEEN HERE, WHICH EXPLAINS THE CONFUSION AND REJECTS THE CRUCIFICATION, AS JESUS HAS SPOKEN THAT A SUBSTITUTE THAT GOT CRUCIFIED WHILE THE REAL JESUS WAS HAPPILY SITTING ON A TREE.
Comment by AL=ZARQAWI — July 6, 2007 @ 8:55 am
I’m not a Jew.
Thank you for admitting it. To your Lord, you are just a dog…Arf..arf…arf…
Go and get your bread crumbs…arfff…
…and by what proof that you’re alleging that I do not understand my faith(i’d rather call it a faith, religion comes will all kinds of rituals and stuff that their own followers blindly follow) better than you, ironic isn’t it since you’re not the one who’s a Christian right? Only by a few words and you THINK you know better. Haha.
Yes, because when you do not know something you just bark and give metaphores like dog..woof..woof..woof…
No facts, nothing just plain denial. So, you dont have knowledge and only blind faith.
Yes, I know better from the way you answer your questions…woof..woof..woof…you gentile dog of Jesus…
Why a need for an interpretation? Isn’t it clear enough for your preverted minds? The Bible verses in Ezekiel 23 isn’t preverted in its own nature, it is meant by God as a warning to those who has a desire to do such atrocities, they will be PUNISHED SEVERELY, think Sodom and Gomorrah.
So please do not place your claims that Bible is corrupted by just repeating your references again and again upon this verses. That is not how a man of wisdom speaks.
I will keep on repeating my reference until you answer it. Dont try to run away as this make my argument clearer.
This is how man of wisdom handle the question. This the way of people who claim they know more about their religion answer, if not, the believe is only based on blind faith..
Never mind for a dog…woof..woof..woof…
The verses are already clear enough to show that God does not tolerate such atrocities, so why the interpretation from Jesus? If he wanted to warn people on sexual immorality, he has already done it.
You said Jesus is your God right? Is he to numb to say anything?
You are just a mere human being, so I do not take you explainantion. I still want Jesus explaination or any authorised interpretation from Old Testaments prophets or even Martin Luther.
Ooooh..Martin Luther…isnt he also a human being? Never mind..ok..his interpretation is enough…fo now..
You see I dont want yours because you are just a dog who deosnt have ample knowlegde as Martin Luther and definitely far away from Jesus.
Your metaphores doesnt work here, because it is your interpretation.Not from God.
Remember Martin Luther, the father of Reformation? We do not subscribe to the Pope’s belief, he is a mere human being.
Well.. we go back to my refutation. I have written a fact that Pope St Gregory had interpreted the sinner is Mary Magdelene. Base from his allegation, Mary Magdalene is the symbol of sin and yet is known throughout the Christian World as a prostitute.
At the same time, you said that you all dont need man’s interpretation of Gods’s word so why the Protestant so anxiously want to refute this interpretation while you say you people doesnt need man’s interpretation.
The Greek Fathers, as a whole, distinguish the three persons:
the “sinner” of Luke 7:36-50;
the sister of Martha and Lazarus, Luke 10:38-42 and John 11; and
Mary Magdalen.
On the other hand most of the Latins hold that these three were one and the same. Protestant critics, however, believe there were two, if not three, distinct persons.
It is impossible to demonstrate the identity of the three; but those commentators undoubtedly go too far who assert, as does Westcott (on John 11:1), “that the identity of Mary with Mary Magdalene is a mere conjecture supported by no direct evidence, and opposed to the general tenour of the gospels.”
It is the identification of Mary of Bethany with the “sinner” of Luke 7:37, which is most combatted by Protestants.
It almost seems as if this reluctance to identify the “sinner” with the sister of Martha were due to a failure to grasp the full significance of the forgiveness of sin. The harmonizing tendencies of so many modern critics, too, are responsible for much of the existing confusion.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09761a.htm
So why all this confusion? Dont be like an ostrich you dog…stick your head into the sand, and says there is no problem..
O Andalas who Jesus called you a Dog…
You see from the authorised fact I get your refutation is nulled:
Is is not the prophets or any other human beings who is the one guiding us through the Bible but God Himself. Who but God Himself has the full authority to interpret and guide His people on His very own words? When the prophets wrote His words, they were inspired by God, not by the prophet’s own ideas and thoughts, like your Hadith?
So, who inspired the Catholics and Protestant to be in confusion? God? or God who cried out loud..Eli Eli Lama Sabachtani?
Well..for your information, Muhammad is inspired by God to interpret His Word which is the Al Quran.
Well, dont assume every religion is confuse as yours and its own version of Ezekiel 23 like yours..
Seems..as I expected…Ezekiel 23 is lot more harder to be released once you have started your bible group discussion..Hahaha..
Comment by Saul — July 6, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
I do not want to be known as one who boast about how many Bible versions he has at home but since you’ve asked, I have the pleasure of listing them down:
New Internation Version(NIV)
New King James Version(NKJV)
New Living Translation(NLT)
New American Standard Bible(NASB)
Comtemporary English Version(CEV)
Al-Kitab Indonesian Language Bible
Definitely, you are having pleasure of reading Ezekiel 23 from different versions..I am jealous of you..
23:1 Datanglah firman TUHAN kepadaku:
23:2 “Hai anak manusia, ada dua orang perempuan, anak dari satu ibu.
23:3 Mereka bersundal di Mesir, mereka bersundal pada masa mudanya; di sana susunya dijamah-jamah dan dada keperawanannya dipegang-pegang.
(RSV)
1: The word of the LORD came to me:
2: “Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother;
3: they played the harlot in Egypt; they played the harlot in their youth; there their breasts were pressed and their virgin bosoms handled.
(KJV)
1: The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
2: Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother:
3: And they committed whoredoms in Egypt; they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity.
I was wondering why you could come up with such a thing to make a fool our yourselves.
First of all, look at the versions my brother. Revised Standard Version(RSV) and New Testament English(TEV). Does it mean anything to you?
The phrase ‘hanging him on a tree’ can also be said as ‘nailing him to a cross’. What is a cross made from? Wood. What is wood made from? A tree! So I don’t see your point in saying that the Bible is corrupted by just showing me this different versions of a text which basically has the meaning! And also please be reminded the gist is always still there.
Well…try to divert again from the main question which is rooted from:
Revelation 22:18-19 King James Version
18: For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Thus, is the text is omitted, change or added?
Answer me, True or false?
I dont give a damn of your bloody metaphores because it just came from you…dog who eat bread crombs..woof..woof..woff..Who labelled you that…Your lord Jesus.
So, is the TEV author committed this heinous crime?
Yes..from Revelation 22:18-19.
That is why I have refuted your lame argument from the beginning:
Well, next time if you want to scare any australian/ foreigners from smuggling drug to Malaysia, you can say that the penalty of the crime is nailing that person to cross until he died. That is the capital punishment in Malaysia..
Dont understand your religion or simply you dont understand simple english?
Comment by Saul — July 6, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
For your info, the Gospel of Matthew and John does not state the phrase ‘and he was taken up to heaven’, why you may ask? The apostle Matthew probably wanted to stress on the Great Commission as for John
I dont give a damn whether Matthew or John does not state that phrase. My concern is why in Luke the addition of he was taken up to heaven:
In TEV for Luke 24:51
As he was blessing them, he departed them and was taken up into heaven.
A footnote is added and surprisingly it states:
g Some manuscripts do not have and he was taken up to heaven
You see, dont try to divert from answering my question. Is this the depth of your knowledge in your religion?
John 21:25 (New International Version)
25Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
Since Jesus’ ascension the Heaven has been mentioned in Mark and Luke, there is no need for it to be repeated in the gospel of Matthew and John. They all complement one another, you see the beauty of the Bible?
Yes, Jesus did many things according to your interpretation and if we recorded everything, we wont have any space to fill it in..huh..
Coming back to the basic:
Revelation 22:18-19 Revised Standard Version(RSV)
18: I warn every one who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if any one adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book,
19: and if any one takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
You have missed my point do you? The portion in Luke was never..I repeat never in the original manuscript and was added later to “compliment” the one that has been “revealed” in Mark. Addition, Andalas, Addition…
I dont know do you understand simple English language or not.
Well, according to you:
1) The important thing is the gist of the verse
2) Changes in the Bible is not important
Well then, I think I better reveal to you NSV.
What is NSV? New Saul Version of Bible:
Let look at the first verse:
Genesis:
9: But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother’s wife he spilled the semen on the ground, lest he should give offspring to his brother.
10: And what he did was displeasing in the sight of the LORD, and he slew him also.
Now…I present you the New Saul Version Bible (NSV)
9: But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother’s wife to fuck but he did not fuck her brothers widow,but he slowly get down from the bed and he slowly put off his pants and gently he grasped his muscular 15 inch penis and slowly he stroke his penis slowly, harder and faster, Onan moaned and groaned in pleasure, so intensed he finally reach his orgasm and spilled his love juice on the ground lest he should give offspring to his brother by fucking her.
10: And his masturbation is displeasing in the sight of the LORD, and he slew him also.
Wow…I think this is more interesting and according to you, this eloboration is okay since:
1) Onan get punishment from God and people will be scared to masturbate
2) The gist is still there
I never “change” anything in the Bible and this is in accordance to the gist of the story..right..
Maybe I can start a new business and start to publish NSV to spread the Love of Jesus…
From your so called refutation, my act is in accordance and the same as TEV author, so my act never comply Revelation 22:18-19
So, what is your stand?
Should author of TEV be condemned or not?
If not..I will after this write more verses in NSV…Ezekiel 23 for a start…and I think this will be much more interesting..horse diddy size penis..bosom..breast..hahaha
Comment by Saul — July 6, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
I’m not disgusted at all. Why should I be disgusted at God’s word? Wh do you even say that I’m actually placing Islam as a superior morality? Looks like you need a refresher course in English.
I was stating that you’re a disgrace because you said this…
Well…if you are disgusted at a person who read pornography, you should also disgusted at the material too..
The source of sins has much greater impact rather than one single person.
You wrote before:
You must be a disgrace to the Muslim community by saying that…
From this you expect Muslim to properly behave do you?
If you want to argue more on who should take refresher course, who are still running around beating behind the bush? You or me?
What kind of man with ‘high standard of morality’ would treat God’s word(or for your disbelief, Holy Book) with such disrespect? Only a beast would do that./b>
Who is the greater beast? Ezekiel or me?
I’m just enjoying his work, so at least i have the same level of morality as Ezekiel.
I need concrete proofs that the Bible is corrupted, don’t merely say it, we need proof. I can’t show you how corrupted the Quran is.
You are just plain blind and deaf. I have showed you how Bible is corrupted..and you say no proof..
Dont make such a foolish joke (I think this part only you can comment…u can only play logic..not fact..crucifiction and hanging is the same, what a joke).
So you Muslims were created from sperms mixed with menstrual blood?
The earth is flat? Meteorites are fallen angels cast out from heaven by Allah? And much more.
That’s what I call pure child fantasy.
Oh, then maybe you should get a Quran from any major Muslim bookstores, then join a serious Quranic study group. Would be good for you.
Go to http://quran.al-islam.com/ to read the whole Book if you’re not comfortable handling a Quran.
That proves you do NOT read the Bible that often. Maybe you only read it when you need to refute people like me.
Read these verses:
John 3:16(NIV)
16″For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Take note of ‘world’ and ‘whoever’
Matthew 24:14(NIV)
14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
Matthew 28:19 (NIV)
19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Revelation 7:9 (NIV)
The Great Multitude in White Robes
9After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.
Hmm..so you dont believe Jesus came down only for the Jews eh?
Matthew, chapter 10
5: These twelve Jesus sent out, charging them, “Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans,
6: but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mark 7:26-27
26: Now the woman was a Greek, a Syrophoeni’cian by birth. And she begged him to cast the demon out of her daughter.
27: And he said to her, “Let the children first be fed, for it is not right to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.”
Note: Which one is correct? A Canaanite or a greek? Greeks and Canaanite are both dog to Jesus..woof…woof..woof
So, can you explain the contradiction of the verses you gave and the verses I just gave..
If you want to give metaphores..you can, but i will keep on asking the same question until you can stand up straight and face it like a true man.
The again, your good works will not make a candidate for heaven.
And I think Islam isn’t very fair in terms of gender equality, take a look a this videos:
A good answer by Zarqawi…
God is always knocking on your door. May you all learn to accept the Good News. The Truth is ALWAYS there on your doorstep, it’s either you take it or you don’t.
Have a nice day and God bless.
God is knocking your door constantly..but hey…St Andalas (who interpret Bible and gives metaphores is houlier than a pope) still can not let go Ezekiel 23…
Corinthians 14
33: For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints,
Well..I think Andalas the Dog who like to eat bread crumbs is all in confusion.Is the word of God can be so confusing?
Comment by Saul — July 6, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
Mr.AbuHanaan,
1)Good works are filthy rags in God’s eyes? That’s the whole point. Now we know why Protestant Terrorists always looking for methods to create trouble throughout the world. They believe that God sees good works as filthy rags, so why bother?
Say what you may but it still doesn’t prove that Christian’s around the world are using God’s name in vain. And as I’ve always said good works will not guarantee a place in heaven, Jesus Christ’s gift of Salvation will. It doesn’t mean our good works after our salvation means nothing but it is first of all important for us to accept Jesus Christ as our personal Saviour.
2)Still no rebuttal, or excuse why some Indonesian bible deleted some parts of Ezekiel 23. I say they are not compatible with Asian culture. If you want to say there’s some trouble with the printing machines, I think I’ll accept that to save you some face.
I did visit the page you mention. Guess what?
‘Maaf, Alkitab Firman Allah Yang Hidup (FAYH) masih dalam proses konversi ke bentuk elektronik/html.’
I’m not covering up anything, visit this link:
http://www.bit.net.id/SABDA-WEB/Yeh/F_Yeh23.htm
If you’re not lying then who?
My Al-Kitab which has the Lembaga Al-Kitab Indonesia seal on printed on it did not leave any verses out.
Show us the Qur’anic verses pertaining all these, please.
Taken from FaithFreedom.org:
[MENJ: Islamophobic material DELETED. See warning below.]
Note: I did include some YouTube videos on scientific inaccuracies in the Quran but menj deleted them. Pathetic attempt to cover up
5)Precisely, there is no gender equality in Islam. Man is unique, and so is woman. And we value our women’s womb, we appreciate and thankful to them for their labor pain. Their labor pain is not a punishment for somebody else’s mistake.
Read this:
Genesis 3:16 (NIV)
16 To the woman he said,
“I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;with pain you will give birth to children.Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”
Mr.Al-Zarqawi,
Guess what? Your reference to the Apocalypse of Peter has taken away all your credibility you have brother. Thank you for that.
For your info, the Apocalypse of Peter is NOT and will NEVER be part of the Bible. Is NOT God inspired but man-made. It is part of the Gnostic writings found at the Nag Hammadi library is Egypt.
Gnostic writings include fake gospels like the gopel of Judas, Apocalypse of Peter and much more. Even though the Apocalypse may be found in the Apocrypha section in a Catholic version Bible, it was never accepted as the true word of God. The Apocrypha is not found in any of the Protestant Bibles.
So by refering to a ’so-called gospel’, you just discredited yourselves.
I guess I don’t need to answer any of your allegations.
More links you all may want to visit, provided our Big Brother here doesn’t it, of course.
[MENJ: Do you actually have the brain of a donkey or just pretending to be stupid? I made it very clear the last time that NO ANTI-ISLAMIC LINKS OR ISLAMOPHOBIC LINKS ARE ALLOWED to be posted here. Do this again, moron, and you will be banned for the rest of your natural life.]
I’m still waiting for proofs that the Bible is corrupted. Comparing different text between different versions are NOT proofs. I’m waiting.
God is always knocking on your door. May you all learn to accept the Good News. The Truth is ALWAYS there on your doorstep, it’s either you take it or you don’t.
Have a nice day and God bless.
Comment by andalas — July 6, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
andalas,
1) http://sabdaweb.sabda.org/bible/chapter/?b=26&version=fayh
2) I still insist on the verses from Al-Qur’an. What’s the problem, we only have ONE Al-Qur’an.
3) Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me (Psalm 51:5). So that’s gender equality, man gets the pleasure fucking the woman, and she conceives the baby in sin.
4) This entry is titled “Christianity promotes terrorism”, let me remind you. I still hope there are some context given on those verses quoted by Menj. If it’s something that led you to laughter, it must be easy to explain.
5) The truth is not on my doorstep. Some of the truth can be found in Isaiah.
Comment by abuhanaan — July 7, 2007 @ 9:18 am
Sorry, here’s the actual link: http://sabdaweb.sabda.org/bible/chapter/?b=26&c=23&version=fayh&lang=indonesia&theme=clearsky
Comment by abuhanaan — July 7, 2007 @ 9:20 am
In the name of Allah, most gracious, most merciful.
Mr.Al-Zarqawi,
Guess what? Your reference to the Apocalypse of Peter has taken away all your credibility you have brother. Thank you for that.
For your info, the Apocalypse of Peter is NOT and will NEVER be part of the Bible. Is NOT God inspired but man-made. It is part of the Gnostic writings found at the Nag Hammadi library is Egypt.
HEHE, SOMEBODY HAS TAKEN THE BAIT, ANDALAS I KNOW THAT APOCALYPSE OF PETER IS AN APOCRYPHA. I INTENTIONALLY PUT IT THERE FOR YOU TO REFUTE IT,
THAT WILL LEAD TO MORE COUNTER ARGUMENT. IT SO TYPICAL FOR THE CHRISTIANS TO REJECT ANY DOCTRINES THAT CONTRADICT PAUL OF TARSUS.
FIRSTLY DID ANY OF JESUS DESCIPLE SAW
THE ACTUAL CRUCIFICATION.LETS SEE MATTHEW 26:55-57
55 In that same hour said Jesus to the multitudes, Are ye come out as against a thief with swords and staves for to take me? I sat daily with you teaching in the temple, and ye laid no hold on me.
56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.
57 And they that had laid hold on Jesus led him away to Caiaphas the high priest, where the scribes and the elders were assembled.
IT LOOKS LIKE NON OF THE DISCIPLES SAW CHRIST’S TRIAL AND CRUCIFICATION EXCEPT FOR PETER AS WE CAN SEE IN :
MATTHEW
26:34-35,69-75.(KJV)
34 Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
35 Peter said unto him, Though I should die with thee, yet will I not deny thee. Likewise also said all the disciples.
69 Now Peter sat without in the palace: and a damsel came unto him, saying, Thou also wast with Jesus of Galilee.
70 But he denied before them all, saying, I know not what thou sayest.
71 And when he was gone out into the porch, another maid saw him, and said unto them that were there, This fellow was also with Jesus of Nazareth.
72 And again he denied with an oath, I do not know the man.
73 And after a while came unto him they that stood by, and said to Peter, Surely thou also art one of them; for thy speech bewrayeth thee.
74 Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the cock crew.
75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.
NOW LOOK AT THE PASSAGE FROM PETER’S APOCALYPSE
Therefore be strong until the imitation of righteousness - of him who had summoned you, having summoned you to know him in a way which forth doing because of the rejection which happened to him, and the sinews of his hands and his feet, and the crowning by those of the middle region, and the body of his radiance which they bringing hope of service because of a reward of honor - as he was about to reprove you three times in this night”.
THIS CONFIRM THAT IN BOTH NT AND APOCALYPSE OF PETER, PETER REJECTED JESUS 3 TIMES AND WOULD HAVE BEEN THE ONLY DISCIPLE THAT SAW THINGS FIRST HAND.
THERE ARE OTHER VERSES FROM THE NT THAT SUPPORTS APOCALYPSE OF PETER THAT DENIES THE CRUCIFICATION.
HEBREW 5:7
7During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.
IF INDEED JESUS WAS ORDAIN TO DIE FOR THE SINS OF MAN WHY WOULD HE PRAY TO BE SAVED FROM DEATH AND THE VERSE SAID HIS PRAYERS WAS HEARD . THIS AGAIN CONTRADICTS THE ATONEMENT OF CHRIST AND SUPPORT THE APOCALYPSE OF PETER.
THERE ARE ALSO OTHER VERSES THAT SUPPORT THE APOCALYPSE OF PETER.(A.O.P)
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (From the KJV Bible, Matthew 21:43)”
FROM A.O.P
“These things, then, which you saw you shall present to those of another race who are not of this age (i.e., the Arabs who then became Muslims).
THE NT ITSELF HAS VERSES THAT CONTRADICT CHRIST ATONEMENT EVEN WITHOUT APOCALYPSE OF PETER WHICH ARE CLEAR PROOFS OF THE BIBLE’S CORRUPTION.
Comment by AL=ZARQAWI — July 7, 2007 @ 10:46 am
For your info, the Apocalypse of Peter is NOT and will NEVER be part of the Bible. Is NOT God inspired but man-made. It is part of the Gnostic writings found at the Nag Hammadi library is Egypt.
Dear Self Proclaimed St ANDALAS, His Lord called him a woof…woof…woof eating bread crumbs who always act like an ostrich sticking his head into the sand…
Go back and learn your religion!
Do you know that Apocalypse of Peter was once a part of my fav porn material?
This are the apocryphal that once a part of the “holy book” :
Didache, anonymous instructional text; written c. AD 50–120. This was considered canonical by early churches within mainstream Christianity for hundreds of years, but was ultimately rejected from the biblical canon, with the exception of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, and instead added to the Apostolic Fathers collection.
Epistle of Barnabas - anonymous letter of counsel to an unknown audience; written c. AD 80–120. This was considered canonical by early churches within mainstream Christianity for hundreds of years, but was ultimately rejected.
Greek Gospel of the Egyptians, mostly lost anonymous Gospel narrative; written c. AD 80–150. This author recalls it to have been accepted in early eastern churches, but it was ultimately rejected by mainstream Christianity.
1 Clement, letter of counsel probably composed by Clement, Bishop of Rome, and addressed to the church in Corinth; written c. AD 95–96. This was considered canonical by early churches within mainstream Christianity for hundreds of years, but was ultimately rejected. It is also one of extremely few Apocryphal works accepted by modern scholarship to have been written by the traditional author.
Apocalypse of Peter, mostly lost anonymous prophecy concerning the end times; written c. AD 100–150. This was considered canonical by early churches within mainstream Christianity for hundreds of years, but was ultimately rejected.
The Shepherd of Hermas, anonymous Christian text with a broad range of content, including prophecy, direct instruction and parables; written c. AD 100–160. This was considered canonical by early churches within mainstream Christianity for hundreds of years, but was ultimately rejected.
So, let us go back to our first argument:
Revelation 22:18-19 King James Version
18: For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
If anybody just take one word of God from his book, he will be take away his part out of the book of life, HOW ABOUT PEOPLE OR GROUP OF RELIGION WHO TAKE AWAY THE WHOLE BOOK OR CHAPTER FROM THE BOOK OF GOD?
Doesnt this fit the criteria?
So by refering to a ’so-called gospel’, you just discredited yourselves.
I guess I don’t need to answer any of your allegations.
Before arguing sombeody’s credential, you should my answer above first, does the churches fathers have the right to omit, to change and to add the word or even the book of God?
You should discredit them first before discrediting Zarqawi based on your argument using Revelation 22:18-19.
I’m still waiting for proofs that the Bible is corrupted. Comparing different text between different versions are NOT proofs. I’m waiting.
Dont think we are easy to forget about our argument, who give the TEV author the right to change death by hanging to death by nailing to the cross, addition of carried to heaven in Luke.
Okay.. if you still cant answer all that, I will use New Saul Version, because St Andalas will say, no..no..there is no proof that Bible is corrupted, because in the end the moral of the story is there:
9: But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother’s wife to fuck but he did not fuck her brothers widow,but he slowly get down from the bed and he slowly put off his pants and gently he grasped his muscular 15 inch penis and slowly he stroked his penis slowly, harder and faster, Onan moaned and groaned in pleasure, …ahhhh…uhhh..ahhh…aaaah..uuhhh..so good…My Lord…that is so fucking good..aaahhh….so intensed he finally reach his orgasm and spilled his love juice on the ground lest he should give offspring to his brother by fucking her.
10: And his masturbation is displeasing in the sight of the LORD, and he slew him also.
Zarqawi…Abu hanaan..Ahyad Nawi.. since this guy says its okay..lets corrupt the Bible!
Halleluya!!!
Comment by Saul — July 7, 2007 @ 12:14 pm
[MENJ: Do you actually have the brain of a donkey or just pretending to be stupid? I made it very clear the last time that NO ANTI-ISLAMIC LINKS OR ISLAMOPHOBIC LINKS ARE ALLOWED to be posted here. Do this again, moron, and you will be banned for the rest of your natural life.]
Dont be angry with him, his not a donkey..but a dog…woof…woof..woof…
He still can not answer my questions.
Dia baca banyak sangat Ezekiel 23, itu sebab otaknya lembab…
I think if I start selling New Saul Version, Andalas will never go out from Christianity…wow..berhibur sambil beramal…hallleluya…!!!
Comment by Saul — July 7, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
ANDALAS SAID,
So by refering to a ’so-called gospel’, you just discredited yourselves.
I guess I don’t need to answer any of your allegations.(SUPERB ANSWER)
THIS IS AN ANSWER OF A COWARD AND A MORON, SAINT’S ANDALAS REFUSAL TO ANSWER SHOWS THAT HE HAVE FAILED TO REFUTE THE CLAIMS OF :
1) EZEKIEL 23 CONTENTS PORN MATERIAL(THIS CASE IS
BEING HANDLE WELL BY BROTHER SAUL)
2) THAT THE ORIGINS OF TERRORISM CAN BE SEEN
IN THE BIBLE AND CRUSADES (HE HAS NOT REFUTED
MINE AND NOT SUCCESSFUL IN REFUTING BROTHER
ABU HANAN’S.)
3) THE BIBLE IS CORRUPTED.HE FAILED TO DEFEND
THE MORONIC METAPHOR OF CROSS=TREE. EVEN IN
KJV THE SAME VERSION PASSAGES OF ACTS
CONTRADICTS THE GOSPEL OF LUKE,JOHN,MATHEW
AND MARK.
4) THERE ARE GOSPELS FROM THE NEW TESTAMENT THAT
SUPPORTS A.O.P.
5) SAINT ANDALAS IS A DOG ORDAIN BY HIS GOD FOR
BEING A GENTILE.(KUDOS TO BROTHER SAUL)
ANDALAS SAID:
Guess what? Your reference to the Apocalypse of Peter has taken away all your credibility you have brother. Thank you for that.
I guess I don’t need to answer any of your allegations.
THIS BLOG DOESN’T BELONG TO YOU BUT TO BROTHER MENJ, SO YOU HAVE NO POWER TO TAKE AWAY MY
CREDIBILITY. YOU CAN APPLY YOUR CREDIBILITY TO OTHER TREE OR CROSS WORSHIPERS BUT NOT ME I’M MUSLIM. ANYWAY THANK YOU, FOR THIS RESPONSE, FROM NOW ON IF YOU TRY TO REFUTE ME YOU
ARE A HYPOCRITE FOR GOING AGAINST YOUR OWN WORD
AND IF YOU DON’T YOU HAVE FAILED TO REFUTE MY OPINIONS EITHER.
WIN-WIN SITUATION FOR ME.:)
ANDALAS SAID,
For your info, the Apocalypse of Peter is NOT and will NEVER be part of the Bible. Is NOT God inspired but man-made.
Gnostic writings include fake gospels like the gopel of Judas, Apocalypse of Peter and much more.
IF THATS THE CASE,THEN THE GOSPEL OF MATHEW AND HEBREW WHICH IS PART OF THE NT IS ALSO FAKE AS THEY CONTAIN THE SAME MASSAGE AND INFO AS THE APOCALYPSE OF PETER.MORE PROVE OF BIBLE CORRUPTION BY SAINT ANDALAS OWN WORD.
I’m still waiting for proofs that the Bible is corrupted. Comparing different text between different versions are NOT proofs. I’m waiting.
DON’T WORRY WILL KEEP REPEATING IT. BROTHER SAUL AND ABU HANNAN WILL ALSO HELP YOU.:0
Comment by AL=ZARQAWI — July 7, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
I will not continues this silly argument until our Big Brother here stops deleting part of my PROOFS that the Quran is corrupted and man-made.
How does one argue when he is continually censored?
You all argue like how a kid argues with his friend. I guess it doesn’t matter how true my FACTS are, the only thing that concerns you all have is the FEAR of LOSING attitude. So you all repeat again and again. On top of that your arguments are at times filled vulgar words, especially our Big Brother, it shows how frustrated you are actually. A sin is alsways a sin, there is no such thing as small or big sin or holy sin or whatever you want to justify. Taqiyah?
If you banning me makes you all happy, so be it. It only show how scared you all are about the TRUTH.
John 14:6
6Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
If you’re still interested in showing me how corrupted the Bible is, show us the proof. Any contradictories, scientific errors, and much more? Any takers?
Have a nice day.
Comment by andalas — July 7, 2007 @ 4:14 pm
O Andalas the Gentile whom Jesus Called Dog..
Let me answer some of your bewilderment:
I will not continues this silly argument until our Big Brother here stops deleting part of my PROOFS that the Quran is corrupted and man-made.
How does one argue when he is continually censored?
Dont you have a hand to type your argument?
Lazy dog…
Another thing is, you dont answer any of our argument. Dont you know how to type?
Or your too meek to write because of Ezekiel 23?
You all argue like how a kid argues with his friend.
Who say you are friends? You are a dog dont you…woof…woof..woof..
Yes, like a dog, if you can not bite..you bark…woof..woof..
I guess it doesn’t matter how true my FACTS are, the only thing that concerns you all have is the FEAR of LOSING attitude. So you all repeat again and again.
What fact do you presented to us?
Nothing!!
Yes, I will keep repeating all those thing until you answer us this questions:
(1) Omitting hanging by the tree and replaced it with nailing on the cross, does it fit the criteria to invite the fury of God?
(2) Ezekiel 23 is the porn material that shouldnt be included in a Holy book as written in 2 Timothy 3:
16: All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
(3) All gentiles are dogs even though they believe in Jesus. Why should any convert to a religion that has a Rascist God?
(4) Bible especially had been omitted, changed and added due to the lust of the church.
(5) Interpretation exist in Christianity. There is no such thing as “God’s interpretation” as I obtained my material from the catholic encyclopedia. My case lie on the argument whether Mary Magdalene was a prostitute or not.
All these are the sum of my argument. And Andalas who think he is houlier than Pope Gregory can not even answer one with satisfaction.
He could give metaphores, and by his own doggish brain..pity.
On top of that your arguments are at times filled vulgar words, especially our Big Brother, it shows how frustrated you are actually.
Oo…i was just following the footstep of Ezekiel.
Is he also frustrated?
A sin is alsways a sin, there is no such thing as small or big sin or holy sin or whatever you want to justify. Taqiyah?
Who is comitting taqiyah here?
You or me?
I asked you whether omission of hanging on tree will fit the criteria in Revelation 22:18-19, you never answer.
And you say no proof.
You are comitting taqiyah..you dog.
Answer me:
(1) Did Ezekiel commit a sin of writing vulgar words in Ezekiel 23?
(2) Did the author of TEV commit the sin of adding up carried up to heaven and also hanging the tree staff?
(3) Did the early church father commit the sin when he throw all the approved script from the New Testament?
And as dog, you can not answer.. you just bark.
A losers’ bark..when you cant bite..
If you banning me makes you all happy, so be it. It only show how scared you all are about the TRUTH.
If you dare posting anything here, you will wish you never born as a dog again…ooo..my mistake, as a christian again…
John 14:6
6Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
: `This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me;
9: in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’”
If you’re still interested in showing me how corrupted the Bible is, show us the proof. Any contradictories, scientific errors, and much more? Any takers?
Barking again?
Dont afraid to lose again?
Genesis 1
3: And God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
4: And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.
5: God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.
6: And God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.”
7: And God made the firmament and separated the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament. And it was so.
8: And God called the firmament Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.
9: And God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear.” And it was so.
10: God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good.
11: And God said, “Let the earth put forth vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, upon the earth.” And it was so.
12: The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds, and trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
13: And there was evening and there was morning, a third day.
14: And God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years,
15: and let them be lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth.” And it was so.
16: And God made the two great lights, the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night; he made the stars also.
17: And God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth,
18: to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good.
19: And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.
From the first chapter, Bible is inscientific. Which come first?
The source of light or the light?
But, Bible said, the light in verse 3 was created on the first day, while God only created the sun on the 4th day.
Amazingly, God created vegetations on the third day. Doesnt this contradict with science? How can vegetations survive without light?This contradict with Biology.
And How can there be morning and evening without sun, in the first day?
The sun created before earth? Please dont see any geologist or meteorologist…they will laugh upon you until you bark…thousand apology..until you cry..
So, St Andalas the dog..
Bible is good in porn, but never in science…
Luke 1
34: And Mary said to the angel, “How shall this be, since I have no husband?”
35: And the angel said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.
Can u proof Jesus is the son of God thru DNA? Does God has DNA if He fucked Mary? Does God has seed or sperm?
How God inseminate Mary? Does God has penis? Can God’s penis break the hymen of Mary?
Can you tell me how Holy spirit got upon Mary and overshadow her? How in science you can explain this phenomenon? I can only see copulation here from the verse.
If God is not physical, so you can say that the spirit of Jesus is son of God, but the church say Jesus is God physically and spiritually?
Who married God to Mary? Isnt this another adultery?
If you say that Mary is just surrogate mother, but Jesus claimed that he is also Son of man? So, Mary must be his real mother? So, Mary’s egg must be seminated by God’s sperm.
Mary had only XX chromosome, to get a baby boy, she need a sperm with XY chromosome, so when Mary has a son, Y chromosome must be from God isnt it?
Is it scientific for God who is spiritual being to fuck Mary a physical being? If a lembu fucked seladang, we call selembu, what we shall call the product of God fucked human being?
Is this story of “God-man” hybrid sounds scientific?
They say: “(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!” Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous! Maryam 88-89
Comment by Saul — July 7, 2007 @ 11:03 pm
In the name of Allah, most gracious, most merciful.
I will not continues this silly argument until our Big Brother here stops deleting part of my PROOFS that the Quran is corrupted and man-made.
How does one argue when he is continually censored?
THATS BECAUSE YOU KEEP POSTING ANTI-ISLAMIC LINKS OR ISLAMOPHOBIC LINKS IN YOUR COMMENT WHICH MENJ HAS TOLD YOU TWICE NOT TO DO. STATE YOUR POINT AND OPINION LIKE A TRUE DEBATER AND TYPE EVERY WORD OF YOUR CLAIM IN YOUR COMMENT.SO FAR NON OF YOUR WRITTEN COMMENT HAS BEEN CENSORED. DON’T BLAME OTHERS FOR YOUR LACK OF EFFORT AND COWARDICE.
ANDALAS SAID:
You all argue like how a kid argues with his friend. I guess it doesn’t matter how true my FACTS are, the only thing that concerns you all have is the FEAR of LOSING attitude. So you all repeat again and again. On top of that your arguments are at times filled vulgar words, especially our Big Brother, it shows how frustrated you are actually. A sin is always a sin, there is no such thing as small or big sin or holy sin or whatever you want to justify. Taqiyah?
SOMEBODY TRYING TO BE LIKE ALI SINA BY QOUTING
TAQIYAH. MY RESPONSE WOULD BE TWO WORDS SOUR GRAPE. GO AND STUDY BACK ALL THE COMMENTS OF THE ABOVE AND SEE ALL YOUR FACTS HAVE BEEN COUNTERED. WHAT YOU SEE AS “IT DOESN’T MATTER HOW TRUE MY FACTS ARE” ONLY TELL YOUR POOR INSIGHT BUT DENIAL IS THE FIRST STAGE OF GRIEF, AND IS NORM TO SEE YOU ACTING THIS WAY. FRUSTRATION, ARE WE ? PLEASE DON’T BLAME OTHERS BY CREATING YOUR OWN DELUSION,
WILL SEE IN THE END WHO IS THE ONE THAT IS FRUSTRATED.
ANDALAS SAID,
If you banning me makes you all happy, so be it. It only show how scared you all are about the TRUTH.
WHAT IS YOUR PROOF THAT WE ARE ALL HAPPY THAT YOU ARE BAN ?
BROTHER MENJ IS ANGRY BECAUSE YOU KEEP IGNORING THE RULES OF HIS BLOG BY POSTING ANTI ISLAMIC LINKS DESPITE WARNING GIVEN. NON OF YOUR TYPE VIEWS ARE BAN.
BROTHER SAUL EVEN TOLD MENJ NOT TO GET ANGRY WITH YOU FOR YOU HAVE NOT ANSWER HIS QUESTIONS.
MYSELF HAVE NOT EVEN TOUCH ON THIS ISSUE.
STOP YOUR SELF PITY HERE.
If you’re still interested in showing me how corrupted the Bible is, show us the proof. Any contradictories, scientific errors, and much more? Any takers?
JUST READ THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS AND ANSWER THEM FIRST FOR CONT